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posted February 13, 2008 06:05 AM
08 zx10 produces 10 RWHP more !
I won't quote the numbers because they all seem inflated compared to the other graphs i have seen, but will quote that RG has stated the 08zx10 makes approx 10 RWHP than the nearest comer, the 07-08 GSXR1000, that would be about 7-8 rwhp than the 07 zx10 too.
If interested you can read the banter at "psychobike"- " bench racing" forum under the "08zx10 by the numbers" thread.
Thought Stevviewiffle might be interested.
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posted February 13, 2008 06:43 AM
he'll just say that the numbers mean nothing cos the bike is heavier... or that the suspension and brakes make the blade faster... :P
We love you Steve but you gotta admit this 10 is a piece of work 
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posted February 13, 2008 11:38 PM
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posted February 14, 2008 09:23 PM
HP is one variable out of so many, I can't believe you guys have your head in the dyno machine. Thats for busas and ZX14s, these bikes have to perform in more than a straight line. I'm open to either brand though. I like the fact you guys are so brand loyal that any other brand threatens your brand mode goes to defense. I like all the brands and hope they stay this competitive because the consumer wins.
Honda will stomp Kawi in the litre bike class just like they STOMPED all over Kawi int eh 600 class last year
just wait till the reall shootouts begin
k bryant already posted real dyno numbers that disprove that "170" crap ya'll spewed what are you smoking 
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posted February 15, 2008 12:08 AM
Steve Steve Steve...
we've been over this... the cbr600 did NOT stomp all over the zx6 this last year... in ur opinion it clearly did... but it didn't. on a 600 midrange torque actually means nothing because you're keeping the revs in the range of power... same is true for the zx10... power is developed high up... so that simply means that you ride the bike to what it can do. Keep the revs in the power range and then torque means shit because the HP is taking over. Dude, you ride on the track you should know this!
So if I ride my zx6 in its power range there isn't a cbr600 that can keep up... plus my 6 is rated as better handling than the cbr and I hold higher corner speed... I also have better brakes than the cbr... so the zx6 loses in the shootouts cos of the torque... what crap is that?
I will give you this... if you put the 2 bikes thru a 1st gear corner where the revs are forced to drop below the hallowed 9000 rpm... then the torque comes into effect. But thats okay cos I"ll go thru the corner faster than the cbr anyways.
SO!!! this translates to the 1000 class too. I can guarantee that the zx10 can hold higher corner speed cos thats what the bike was designed to do and it was designed on the track first... keep the 10 in the power range and you're cruising.
Take into account that when I ride my 6 on the street and when I want to ride fast with my buddies then I ride in the power range. And my 6 hauls ass! Please don't try to sell me torque and the whole package... cos the 10 is a whole package.... it also has enough torque.
How long does it take you to get used to a different bike's power characteristics? How long will it take you to got from a vtwin torque machine to a high revving high HP machine? It took me a month or two to learn how to ride the zx6 in its power range downgrading from an '05 zx10... The honda is fast... I'm not discounting that, but you get used to using the torque... then you get on the zx10 and suddenly where there was torque on the blade the zx10 feels like there's nothing... so you have to change your style and ride the revs higher... make that bike scream...
I can guarantee you that out of a guy who knows his 10 and a guy who knows his blade... the 10 would win... but not buy much. its not clear cut and the blade will not stomp on the 10...
And come on steve do you really believe the 600rr stomps on the zx6? do you have experience on this like I have? or are you going with the so called 'reliable' mags that ride the bikes for one day?
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posted February 15, 2008 02:33 AM
"The power range" goes from tickover to the rev limiter, same as all the bikes. It seems what you're saying is that you only ride your bikes in the part of its power range where it exceeds it's rivals. So when you get your new ZX10 you'll only ride it between 12k ish and 13k ish.
That should make for some interesting journeys, 100mph+ in first and second, then you'll never use 3rd, 4th, 5th or 6th on the road, cos if you do you'll be riding where the blade excels.
Torque is always important as power is a function of torque and revs. Ducati have made a pretty good fist of racing based on the premise that Torque pulling out of corners can overcome outright HP deficiencies at the end of a straight.
You offer a lot of "guarantees", based on what seems like little more than wishful thinking. The ZX10 has the outright power, that's a fact, you may guarantee that if you wish, the rest is up for grabs.
The fact that you've already traded down from a 10 to a 6 once tells me that you understand that motorcycling nirvana is not just about outright HP, or weight, or torque but about the blend and what you want to do with it. So why are there so many obsessives here that must have the ZX10 as not only the most powerful but as a natural extension of the argument, better in every sense, it's not, "i guarantee it".
The mags don't have bikes for a day, most of them have long termers for a year.
I know it's about the debate and not the conclusion but it is possible to debate using facts and information rather than speculation and guesswork.
Having said all that, the Blade will be better than the ZX10 in every single way, faster, lighter, more powerful, better looking, better selling, I guarentee it.
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posted February 15, 2008 04:25 AM
Dude, how the heck do you get that from what I said?
I said you gotta ride a bike to what the bike can do... meaning that if you want to haul some ass then you're going to ride it in its own power advantage... so with the 10 you won't be relying on any low or mid range power and will be mostly hovering around the 7 or 8000 rpm upwards mark.
I do for sure understand that outright power isn't the winner here... but are you saying that the blade has superior handling and brakes and torque that will allow it to STOMP on the zx10? I think not. I think its close... even the 'older' GSXR and R1 will still be so close that you can choose a bike on Brand and looks alone!
Even tho its so close, I still think the ZX10 is a better package (even if it is marginal), thats just my opinion. Just as I think you get a better bike in the ZX6 than the cbr600... and the zx6 sure doesn't get stomped on and THAT I can guarantee cos I ride it every day, street and track. I cannot guarantee that the zx10 is better than the blade... who can? But I have seen the blade on the track and wasn't impressed as the rear was locking up under gear changes... the power delivery also look very subtle, aka smooth, where the 10 will for sure be more aggressive...
My guarantees are based on what the bike was designed to do, ur guarantees are based on the assumption that all those aspects are better... I'll agree on the better selling part :P
Come on dude mags don't have the bikes for a year before the shootouts!!!
Back to my original point... the blade will not stomp on the zx10... its closer than that. Which bike is better can actually NEVER be determined... sorry but its down to opinion
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posted February 15, 2008 08:55 AM
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better looking.
Put down the crack pipe. Having seen/sat on both, I can tell you that the Honda is hideous in comparion....and I think most people would agree.
But based on the "Honda" name, I am certain it will sell more.
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posted February 16, 2008 08:22 AM
I personally don't give a shi@#t if Honda will sell more.
Actually, its good that others will buy bikes that you don't have, so your one will be the only one in local area 
Its like gixxers, everyone have them....and they are all the same 
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posted February 16, 2008 04:21 PM
Edited By: 08blade on 16 Feb 2008 16:24
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this 10 is a piece of work
It's a piece of work all right ... and not in a good way. LOL
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But based on the fact that it's a better bike I am certain it will sell more.
Shane
Fixed. LOL
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Actually, its good that others will buy bikes that you don't have, so your one will be the only one in local area
Your local area being ... FANTASY LAND. LOL
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posted February 16, 2008 09:37 PM
Edited By: dubious on 16 Feb 2008 23:24
spammers, hoes, trolls and smokinpoles.
you guys need to get lives and fuckin ride sumothin.... anything.....
whether it this:
my 14 on dope
or this, my 750 Brute, with cams pistons, exh, clutchwork, lift tires, snokled
or this
Taken today....
or this..... yes its as serious as a heart attack!... 220 lb 70RWHP CR500AF I built myself one winter
or this...
A better shot of my cage... more like a 500Hp/ 940 ft/lb steam roller...... LOL
Doods!
Just get off the bench and go do it!
if ya have no money then ride this:
or maybe this....
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posted February 17, 2008 01:13 AM
Feel better after your ego stroking exercise? LOL Your only redeeming quality is that you have an AF. LOL
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posted February 17, 2008 09:58 AM
well, I have to make up for the -40 f weather we put up with for the last 2 weeks... LOL
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posted February 17, 2008 07:44 PM
nice - dayum how do those snowmobiles work regarding the HEATER???
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posted February 17, 2008 08:18 PM
If ya ride them hard enough, you stay real warm!
Steve, do us all a favor and send your " turd pushin in" buddy back to wherever he came from...
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posted February 20, 2008 12:05 AM
Edited By: tibofew on 20 Feb 2008 00:07
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or this..... yes its as serious as a heart attack!... 220 lb 70RWHP CR500AF I built myself one winter
I like this bike i used to have a hrc built 500 that was making 98hp
heres my 06 250f
and now some of the yzf 450
and now my 07 sxf 250
I also have two 08 but i hate ktm's so heres one of them
the other one is brand new and as soon as i rode it, it blew up bc the oil pump gear wasnt on right from the factory so srew those bike!!
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and im now on 08 CRF's my 450 then 250
and now from the past trackday on Sunday
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posted February 20, 2008 06:22 PM
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Steve, do us all a favor and send your " turd pushin in" buddy back to wherever he came from...
What's with all the gay references? GOT LATENT HOMOSEXUALITY? lol
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posted February 20, 2008 07:44 PM
98 HP! :P
lol
HAPPY DYNO!
ANYWAY,
Hey tibofew,
how come the hate for the KTM?
Never owned one but been thinkin of the 505!
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posted February 20, 2008 08:00 PM
Edited By: tibofew on 20 Feb 2008 20:01
ktm's are garbage they detuned the 08 250 so much its slower than the 06 and they just wear out in about a year or about 50-60 hrs. get the crf 450 it will eat the 525 alive and last alot longer just DO NOT put a tokyo crank case breather on it. it sucked in about a pound of dirt and i had to rebuild a band new motor with 9 hrs on it  ,
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posted February 20, 2008 08:03 PM
oh yeah the honda 450 handles better than a 250 2stroke, so its definitely the smallest lightest and best handling oh and the fastest 450 out there
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posted February 20, 2008 08:04 PM
and the honda crf 250 IS the best handling bike ive ever ridden stock
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