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posted February 05, 2008 05:25 PM
Break-in is complete. Will be on the dyno tomorrow.
   
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posted February 05, 2008 06:40 PM
Kewl, looking forward to the results! 
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posted February 06, 2008 06:04 AM
Yes k.bryant, we are waiting for your "dyno figures" lecture
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posted February 06, 2008 09:31 AM
 Edited By: kawabunga on 6 Feb 2008 09:37
NEW ZX10 INFO:
Reshaped combustion chamber, enhanced port flow, increased thermal efficiency
Increased head lubrication capacity
Intake port floor lowered, increased inlet area, oval shaped, throttle bodies oval shaped to match
Titanium intakes that weigh 8.1 grams less per valve
Exhaust has smaller seat area, valves are now 1mm smaller and weigh .7 grams less per valve
Crankshaft has a new shape and weighs 2.2 pounds less. Maintains the same inertia as last years by moving weight to the outer edge.
Intake cam lift increased by 0.6mm, duration decreased for increased torque.
Exhaust cam lift unchanged, duration decreased for increased mid-range scavenging/torque.
Larger journal lubrication outlets onthe cams, 7 holes at the main feed point
Tranny has a ratchet style shift cam for smoother shifts
Tranny ratios are new for 1st 15/39 ( 07 15/38 ), 4th 20/31 ( 07 21/32 ) 5th 20/28 ( 07 21/29 )
Fianl gear ratio changed from 17/40 to 17/41
43mm Keihin throttle bodies,oval shaped with secondaries
Primary injectors are a 12 hole 75 micron, secondaries 10 hole ( operates above 7000 rpm)
Flush fuel pump for decreased weight, lower fuel delivery temp, and allows for increased air box volume
Air box capacity increased to 2.2 gal., oval slanted intake tubes ( smoothes air flow to help maintain velocity ) new foam sound diffuser to cut down on intake noise
Radiator cooling capacity increased .9kw ( 37.6mm narrower and 53.6mm taller )Offset Denso fan is 19mm thinner, uses a zx1400A impeller that reduces friction and cavitation
Revised oil & water pump ratios 28/40 as opposed to 31/37, cooling rate increased by 5.3 gal./min
KIMS aka: Traction Control...YEEHAW !!!!!!!!!
MORE INFO TO COME.................HP
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posted February 06, 2008 09:35 AM
I dunno why it posted twice but please delet one of them so people do not think I am trying to hammer on them...thanks
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posted February 06, 2008 10:38 AM
Edited By: toddisslow on 6 Feb 2008 10:39
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I dunno why it posted twice but please delet one of them so people do not think I am trying to hammer on them...thanks
It's the Cogwell cogs. Too much friction.
Swap 'em for Spacely Space Sprockets and you'll get:
1) Faster typing speeds with less errors.
2) Double-posting should be dramatically reduced or eliminated
3) Superior bling factor.
There are a couple of options. I'd opt for the Unobtanium Race gearset w/ MoS2 coating.
Even saying 'Molybdenum' in certain social settings has been shown in clinical trials to increase your coolness factor by ~46%.
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posted February 06, 2008 11:02 AM
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I dunno why it posted twice but please delet one of them so people do not think I am trying to hammer on them...thanks
It's the Cogwell cogs. Too much friction.
Swap 'em for Spacely Space Sprockets and you'll get:
1) Faster typing speeds with less errors.
2) Double-posting should be dramatically reduced or eliminated
3) Superior bling factor.
There are a couple of options. I'd opt for the Unobtanium Race gearset w/ MoS2 coating.
Even saying 'Molybdenum' in certain social settings has been shown in clinical trials to increase your coolness factor by ~46%.
LOL
Are you the son of centerHub?
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posted February 06, 2008 11:05 AM
quote:
NEW ZX10 INFO:
Reshaped combustion chamber, enhanced port flow, increased thermal efficiency
Increased head lubrication capacity
Intake port floor lowered, increased inlet area, oval shaped, throttle bodies oval shaped to match
Titanium intakes that weigh 8.1 grams less per valve
Exhaust has smaller seat area, valves are now 1mm smaller and weigh .7 grams less per valve
Crankshaft has a new shape and weighs 2.2 pounds less. Maintains the same inertia as last years by moving weight to the outer edge.
Intake cam lift increased by 0.6mm, duration decreased for increased torque.
Exhaust cam lift unchanged, duration decreased for increased mid-range scavenging/torque.
Larger journal lubrication outlets onthe cams, 7 holes at the main feed point
Tranny has a ratchet style shift cam for smoother shifts
Tranny ratios are new for 1st 15/39 ( 07 15/38 ), 4th 20/31 ( 07 21/32 ) 5th 20/28 ( 07 21/29 )
Fianl gear ratio changed from 17/40 to 17/41
43mm Keihin throttle bodies,oval shaped with secondaries
Primary injectors are a 12 hole 75 micron, secondaries 10 hole ( operates above 7000 rpm)
Flush fuel pump for decreased weight, lower fuel delivery temp, and allows for increased air box volume
Air box capacity increased to 2.2 gal., oval slanted intake tubes ( smoothes air flow to help maintain velocity ) new foam sound diffuser to cut down on intake noise
Radiator cooling capacity increased .9kw ( 37.6mm narrower and 53.6mm taller )Offset Denso fan is 19mm thinner, uses a zx1400A impeller that reduces friction and cavitation
Revised oil & water pump ratios 28/40 as opposed to 31/37, cooling rate increased by 5.3 gal./min
KIMS aka: Traction Control...YEEHAW !!!!!!!!!
MORE INFO TO COME.................HP
all the buzz in a few of the other posts for the 08 ZX10...
the reason for such anticipation....
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posted February 06, 2008 11:13 AM
LMAO +1
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posted February 06, 2008 11:27 AM
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Are you the son of centerHub?
I can neither confirm nor deny my affiliations to any parties, organizations and/or alliances.
I'm sure you understand that my position is one that I cannot disclose in a public forum.
Getting back on topic...I too am awaiting certain facts and figures as they pertain to the 2008 10R and competitors.
Terribly sorry for my digression, ladies and gents.
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posted February 06, 2008 12:07 PM
Its all good, Kawi is really hyping the ZX10 and this forum seems to be the ultra-brand loyalists with a closed mind :P
Has anyone SEEN the front of that ZX10? Beauty is in the eyes of the brand loyalists I guess :P
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posted February 06, 2008 12:45 PM
Edited By: k bryant on 6 Feb 2008 13:03
Here are the results. Extremely impressive.
Baseline - 157.4 hp, 74.05 tq
Area P Slip-On - 164.05 hp, 75.3 tq
This bike had 250 miles on it. It responded very well to the exhaust change. Plus 6.7 hp and 1.2 tq increase peak. Very strong low and mid-range increases as well. Interesting to note that the new ZX10 pulls hard all the way to the soft limiter (13000 rpm) and just starts to level off. It was almost 12 hp stronger at its peak, over the OEM muffler at the same rpm. This trait is particular to the '08 model and shows how strong the motor is with our exhaust. The Area P Slip-On tested was with our large 2.5" core. The A/F curve was within specs and no change was required. A PC3 or kit ECU may further enhance power.
Interesting note - with the Area P Slip-On installed, the '08 ZX10 makes more horsepower than the baseline stock runs of our '08 ZX14. As normal, all our runs are done using SAE settings. STD will of course be higher.
http://www.areapnolimits.com/products/Slip-On-Exhaust-Kawasaki-ZX-10R-2008.php
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posted February 06, 2008 01:33 PM
Kbryant> thanks for info. I wonder, what did you have in mind talking about "pre-release" bike? Does it produce more , less or the same power as the one you have now?
And what are power differences on pre-release version between stock and your pipe ?
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posted February 06, 2008 01:42 PM
Thanks Kerry.
Much appreciated.
When riding the bike does it feel even stronger than that?
Dyno's don't really tell the whole story, as a bike will rev quicker due to lighter flywheel, etc, and that tends to show better on the road.
Loosing considerable rotating mass and inertia through lighter crank(-2.2lbs!), valves, and smaller gears should create an extremely responsive package, an aspect which isn't necessarilly exploited nor exposed on the dyno.
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posted February 06, 2008 01:46 PM
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Kbryant> thanks for info. I wonder, what did you have in mind talking about "pre-release" bike? Does it produce more , less or the same power as the one you have now?
And what are power differences on pre-release version between stock and your pipe ?
With KMC bikes, I have found that they literly tweak and tune them right up to production bikes going into crates, which to me is very impressive. Our pre-production bike put out less power, but responed better to an exhaust change. But again, it's really a mute point since pre-production bikes can be in an entirely different state-of-tune. We use pre-production bikes more-so for fitment and general powerband tuning. But we really don't put anything to bed until the production bikes come out.
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posted February 06, 2008 02:04 PM
k bryant, thanks for posting those numbers!
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posted February 06, 2008 02:05 PM
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Thanks Kerry.
Much appreciated.
When riding the bike does it feel even stronger than that?
Dyno's don't really tell the whole story, as a bike will rev quicker due to lighter flywheel, etc, and that tends to show better on the road.
Loosing considerable rotating mass and inertia through lighter crank(-2.2lbs!), valves, and smaller gears should create an extremely responsive package, an aspect which isn't necessarilly exploited nor exposed on the dyno.
My pleasure and so true. The dyno is just a tool. Comparing it to my personal modified '04 which puts 164 hp, it is very similar. The biggest difference I notice really is the power simply pulls longer, and therefore feels harder. My '04 starts to sign off at about 11000 rpm. With the '08, it honestly pulls right up to the soft limiter, which on the tach is into the red zone (over 13000 rpm). Overall, they again feel similar riding them. But I really didn't put it through its paces. I've become accustomed to my '04 and it's personality. Just pulled the trigger a few times to get a general comparision. It feels like it "fits" well. I do like the re-designed tank. It's easy to get up on it and grab it with your thigh/knee when corning and place a lot of weight on the front for a nice solid tip in. Not too keen on the mirrors/turn signal things. I do like the '08 better. I think with our Slip-On, a kit ECU and MR9, you could see 175 - 180 hp without going into the engine. The oem headpipes are really well designed and even though there are cats in them, they flow excellent with a stock based engine.
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posted February 06, 2008 02:06 PM
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Kbryant> thanks for info. I wonder, what did you have in mind talking about "pre-release" bike? Does it produce more , less or the same power as the one you have now?
And what are power differences on pre-release version between stock and your pipe ?
With KMC bikes, I have found that they literly tweak and tune them right up to production bikes going into crates, which to me is very impressive. Our pre-production bike put out less power, but responed better to an exhaust change. But again, it's really a mute point since pre-production bikes can be in an entirely different state-of-tune. We use pre-production bikes more-so for fitment and general powerband tuning. But we really don't put anything to bed until the production bikes come out.
I see. Thats good then! 
I believe those Euro3 emissions really restrict engine output, especially at higher revs...
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posted February 06, 2008 02:07 PM
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I believe those Euro3 emissions really restrict engine output, especially at higher revs...
+1
The 07 08 bikes sure do run hot as all too
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posted February 06, 2008 02:34 PM
Thanks again Kerry!
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