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posted October 18, 2007 10:41 AM
180's in the back on my 04 ZX10R
I like the way 180's ride on the street verses using 190's. I also use sticky tires instead of street tires because quite honestly street tires suck. If you haven't tried this yet (tire size and type) you are missing out.
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posted October 18, 2007 11:01 AM
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Did you take the shim out of the top shock clevis? If not you may want to because the 180/55 tire is taller than the 190/50.
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posted October 18, 2007 11:11 AM
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No normally what i do is put 120 60's on the front to compensate but I got these tires used so i didnt have much choice, have you ever tried the 180's on any of your 1000's and a sticky tire. The bike runs faster with the 180 because its lighter and spins faster. Whats the reason for me to take the top shock clevis off?
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posted October 20, 2007 05:58 AM
The reason is to keep the ride height correct. My 10R gained 3/8" in ride height from the switch and quickly returned to stock height once the small shim was removed
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posted October 21, 2007 04:13 PM
"sticky tires instead of street tires"
race compound? how do you get them hot enough for the street? mine really don't get hot enough for lap one of the track without tire warmers, I can't imagine riding on them at cold street speeds?
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posted October 22, 2007 10:09 AM
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"sticky tires instead of street tires"
race compound? how do you get them hot enough for the street? mine really don't get hot enough for lap one of the track without tire warmers, I can't imagine riding on them at cold street speeds?
^^Soft compound 180's and yes they ride better than street tires. TRY PLEASE, get some used or new, you will never go back. BTW Woody Harrelson's brother a personal friend of mine got me on these Sticky Tires Only and yes he knows what he is talking about. A combination of the Soft compound and the 180 is so night and day.
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posted October 28, 2007 03:37 AM
wow that is vague....maybe I will try it....oh wait I already have...my bike is set up for 190/55's and will stay that way...its a PITA to change it....and I dont ride hard enough on the street to worry about chasis changes...so it stays in track mode...but I cant get my "sticky tires" hot enough on the street to make them :sticky" so I guess I will just putt along.....lol
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posted October 29, 2007 12:13 PM
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wow that is vague....maybe I will try it....oh wait I already have...my bike is set up for 190/55's and will stay that way...its a PITA to change it....and I dont ride hard enough on the street to worry about chasis changes...so it stays in track mode...but I cant get my "sticky tires" hot enough on the street to make them :sticky" so I guess I will just putt along.....lol
^^On you so I guess maybe you will never experience what I am talking about. Soft compound tires front and back (street life of 1500 miles) and 180's on the back= Much Much better better handling. My friend should know, he's a 4 time national champ and he advised me onto these tires.
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posted November 01, 2007 09:47 AM
good luck with that, let me know how it turns out for you....I have cold tire crashed "sticky tires" on the track as they werent hot enough, dam sure not going to try to prove your threory correct on the street...I like my bike how it is, in one piece..I do ride "sticky tires" all the time, I just dont push them as I am fully aware of their limitations, and mine.
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posted November 02, 2007 01:10 PM
HDL - If you weren't so slow, you may actually be able to tell the difference... 
So much of all this stuff is personal feel and comfort level. I don't like the feel of the 180. It lost stability which already keeps you on your toes (04-05 anyway). One combo that really worked well was BT012/002 combo with the shim out and forks raised 5mm. Then of course adjust the sag/suspension to your preference. This even worked good at a track day.
The soft tire debate on the street is endless. I really don't go much different on any of the brands and/or compounds. Even OEM really sticks well. Riding with other cohorts who soft DOTs, race take-offs and/or even slicks (completely foolish) doesn't make much or any difference in their speed that I can see. It may raise their comfort or confidence level, which can lead to more speed. I think once you learn how to get everything you can out of OEM type tires and get your comfort range logged in, you can really go pretty fast with that combo. Then if you make the switch to softer tires, you can appreciate the differences a little more. But it's not night and day (again, on the street). Trying to get a track type tire hot enough on the street to really appreciate the difference would be very difficult (and of course not real smart). But if it works for you and you feel more confident with them, then thatz all that really matters at the end of the day.
Little different subject - I saw this guy on a C14 the other day absolutely spanking some pretty fast guys that I know. His bike was box stock (oem tires) It was hilarious. When he pulled off his helmet at the top, the guy had to be 60 years old. It became very quiet with the other guys who were trying to ride with him.... 
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posted November 02, 2007 02:10 PM
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good luck with that, let me know how it turns out for you....I have cold tire crashed "sticky tires" on the track as they werent hot enough, dam sure not going to try to prove your threory correct on the street...I like my bike how it is, in one piece..I do ride "sticky tires" all the time, I just dont push them as I am fully aware of their limitations, and mine.
^^I have already discussed how soft compound tires work for me.
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posted November 02, 2007 02:14 PM
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HDL - If you weren't so slow, you may actually be able to tell the difference...
So much of all this stuff is personal feel and comfort level. I don't like the feel of the 180. It lost stability which already keeps you on your toes (04-05 anyway). One combo that really worked well was BT012/002 combo with the shim out and forks raised 5mm. Then of course adjust the sag/suspension to your preference. This even worked good at a track day.
The soft tire debate on the street is endless. I really don't go much different on any of the brands and/or compounds. Even OEM really sticks well. Riding with other cohorts who soft DOTs, race take-offs and/or even slicks (completely foolish) doesn't make much or any difference in their speed that I can see. It may raise their comfort or confidence level, which can lead to more speed. I think once you learn how to get everything you can out of OEM type tires and get your comfort range logged in, you can really go pretty fast with that combo. Then if you make the switch to softer tires, you can appreciate the differences a little more. But it's not night and day (again, on the street). Trying to get a track type tire hot enough on the street to really appreciate the difference would be very difficult (and of course not real smart). But if it works for you and you feel more confident with them, then thatz all that really matters at the end of the day.
Little different subject - I saw this guy on a C14 the other day absolutely spanking some pretty fast guys that I know. His bike was box stock (oem tires) It was hilarious. When he pulled off his helmet at the top, the guy had to be 60 years old. It became very quiet with the other guys who were trying to ride with him....
^^Street tires slowly slip as the tires rotate vs the soft compound do not. Thanks for being neutral on your reply.
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posted November 02, 2007 02:20 PM
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Hey all,
I got advised to use the softer compound on the streets per Woody Harrelson's brother Brett Harrelson. He is a personal friend of mine who was a 4 time national champion professional rider.
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posted November 02, 2007 05:28 PM
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I got advised to use the softer compound on the streets per Woody Harrelson's brother Brett Harrelson. He is a personal friend of mine who was a 4 time national champion professional rider.
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As I said, whatever works for you is the only thing that really matters. It's simply clarifying if you are talking about a soft street tire or a soft DOT race tire. All things being equal, it is nearly impossible to get a DOT Race tire working properly on the street. It is simply made to opperate at a much higher temperture and minimal heat cycling to take advantage of the better grip. Legit street tires are made to opperate at much lower temps and for maximum heat cycling without breakdown of grip. The lower opperating temps allow them to work better overall in a street enviorment.
You mention Brett Harrelson many times. In what series was he a 4x champion?
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posted November 02, 2007 08:09 PM
Depends on how you roll, KB. I run a slick front on the street and have no issues with cold tear, grip or anything else.
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posted November 03, 2007 03:52 AM
kerry I agree with you....its simply not very easy to get a DOT tire up to temp on the street. And as you know, if a DOT race tire isnt up to temp, it doesnt offer the level of traction that it could. Its been my expierence that a cold DOT race tire will not offer the level of traction as some of the better street oriented tires, like the Pilot Powers or Qualifiers do. That being said, I do run DOT race tires on the street, only because I only have one set of wheels for my ZX10R and it keeps me from swapping tires back and forth. That makes me slow down and be sane on the street as I know the tires limitations due to the lack of heat, even in the south texas summers, and my limitations while riding said tires.
I cold tire crashed a ZX7R on Roebling Road back in 04 I think it was. I was riding on a set of Michelin H2 Race tires and had no warmers. After 6 laps of riding the track I figured the tires would be up to temp, they were not, and in turn 1 at about 165 mph the front tucked on me and down I went...thank goodness for good gear. And now I wont ride a track with out using my warmers on my tires, espicially when the temps start to drop.
Dot race tires will suffice as street tires, as long as people realize the tires limitations. If they dont, eventually it will end up bad...have seen it, many, many times.
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posted November 03, 2007 09:49 AM
Really? I've been running dot race tires on the street for 25 years or so. While it's true Michelin did produce some treacherously ill-suited stuff for a while, their latest offerings, like those from Dunlop, Pirelli/Metzeler and Bridgestone are just as happy on the street as they are on the track. Quick warm up, huge grip, decent life, and happy to be your friend at any temp above freezing. One day people will understand that slower is not faster unless you suck. I look forward to it.
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posted November 06, 2007 10:02 AM
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I got advised to use the softer compound on the streets per Woody Harrelson's brother Brett Harrelson. He is a personal friend of mine who was a 4 time national champion professional rider.
Best,
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As I said, whatever works for you is the only thing that really matters. It's simply clarifying if you are talking about a soft street tire or a soft DOT race tire. All things being equal, it is nearly impossible to get a DOT Race tire working properly on the street. It is simply made to opperate at a much higher temperture and minimal heat cycling to take advantage of the better grip. Legit street tires are made to opperate at much lower temps and for maximum heat cycling without breakdown of grip. The lower opperating temps allow them to work better overall in a street enviorment.
You mention Brett Harrelson many times. In what series was he a 4x champion?
^^It's what he told me. He's legit though. His bike placed 2nd in the Toyota 200 a few years ago. He has a 04 GSXR 1000, 205 at the wheel and weighs 350 lbs dry.
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posted November 07, 2007 08:34 AM
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Mickey Thompson Motorcycle Drag Slick
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The stickiest tire I ever ran on my 04 ZX-10R is a Mickey Thompson 7" dragslick for motorcycles .... 
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_10001_10002_247190_-1
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That is the best tire to run.... Beat the competition on the launch and you own them......  :
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25.0'' x 7.0'' - 18''
The stickiest tire I ever ran on my 04 ZX-10R is a Mickey Thompson 7" dragslick for motorcycles ....
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_10001_10002_247190_-1
M5 Compound
Part # 672-3221
That is the best tire to run.... Beat the competition on the launch and you own them...... :
^^You running this on the street
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posted November 07, 2007 10:39 AM
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Was for a bit (close local miles for fun!!) ....Shinko 190 Ultra Soft back on now. ... Drag slick in winter storage until spring...
My ZX-10R is a dedicated drag bike.. plan to keep it that way for the next couple of years...... 
I race it at the strip mostly anymore...fun way to ride with gearing and chasis extreemly low on streets when I get the ich to do so... .... I just need to watch out for the low oil pan...:P geared for 150mph.. she gets there effortlesly quick...
I know .. you probably don't do what I like...Thats cool...Carry on ...
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posted November 07, 2007 11:03 AM
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Was for a bit (close local miles for fun!!) ....Shinko 190 Ultra Soft back on now. ... Drag slick in winter storage until spring...
My ZX-10R is a dedicated drag bike.. plan to keep it that way for the next couple of years......
I race it at the strip mostly anymore...fun way to ride with gearing and chasis extreemly low on streets when I get the ich to do so... .... I just need to watch out for the low oil pan...:P geared for 150mph.. she gets there effortlesly quick...
I know .. you probably don't do what I like...Thats cool...Carry on ...
So do you have any problems with the tires heating up? You ride on the streets soft compound like me right?
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posted November 07, 2007 12:13 PM
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So do you have any problems with the tires heating up? You ride on the streets soft compound like me right?
I see your inquiry on this.. yes I run soft compound because I purchased them for dragracing where traction off the line is critical...
I have no problems with the Shinko's Ultra soft heating up .. but I don't lean the bike on curves all that much as other hard core cornering ZX-10R owners do....
My 2 cents is do what works for you....in whatever enviornment you want to be good at...
If you have tried both soft and hard you should be able to tell what works for your type of riding...Bryant K is good people and experienced...he is telling you the same... whatever works for you do that....I don't make it a science myself...
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posted November 07, 2007 01:18 PM
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So do you have any problems with the tires heating up? You ride on the streets soft compound like me right?
I see your inquiry on this.. yes I run soft compound because I purchased them for dragracing where traction off the line is critical...
I have no problems with the Shinko's Ultra soft heating up .. but I don't lean the bike on curves all that much as other hard core cornering ZX-10R owners do....
My 2 cents is do what works for you....in whatever enviornment you want to be good at...
If you have tried both soft and hard you should be able to tell what works for your type of riding...Bryant K is good people and experienced...he is telling you the same... whatever works for you do that....I don't make it a science myself...
Have fun...
I never mentioned having a problem using the soft tires on the street. That issue was brought up by other repliers here.
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