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posted October 28, 2006 03:36 PM
Anyone can enter a race, doesn't make you a racer...
I respect people who can race around a controlled enviroment, around, around and around again. Which do you think makes a good rider? The weekend warrior blowing thru traffic over 175 miles an hour or a rider that goes around a track in a controlled enviroment? Real riders only please.
  
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posted October 28, 2006 04:01 PM
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posted October 28, 2006 05:45 PM
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I respect people who can race around a controlled enviroment, around, around and around again. Which do you think makes a good rider? The weekend warrior blowing thru traffic over 175 miles an hour or a rider that goes around a track in a controlled enviroment? Real riders only please.
Are you aiming this at me?
You're ignorant, if you are. I put 10,000 miles on my 10R in seven months in '04, then stopped riding the street and became a racer exclusively.
A racer can smoke you so bad... you have no idea what 'fast' really is. But no racer will make a diet out of leading idiots into soiling their underwear by enticing them to ride over their heads - there's just NO challenge in it. And most of the racers I know won't go fast on the streets, period, or go so far as to own no street-legal motorcycles.
Kids these days.
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posted October 28, 2006 07:14 PM
I've done 205mph on the street with an '03 gixxer 1000, got clocked by the helicopter at 192 on a '01 ZX12R (I've got the tickets $3k worth and 96 hours of community service to prove it)but never seemed to get enough room to get my 10R over 188. I have very good lap times around ATL speedway and Baber but never got over 188 on either track. I concentrated more on entering and exiting apexes rather than top speed. You can have a hell of a top end but you can loose your position to a 600 running hard thru the corners. I know I'm young, I will turn 36 on the 8th of next month but that is not the reason for my question. I wan't to know people's opinion of what a good rider is. I did'nt aim this question at you but you were the brainchild of it. They do own street-legal bikes at one time then convert it to track. AMA? Where did you place?
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posted October 28, 2006 07:23 PM
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I respect people who can race around a controlled enviroment, around, around and around again. Which do you think makes a good rider? The weekend warrior blowing thru traffic over 175 miles an hour or a rider that goes around a track in a controlled enviroment? Real riders only please.
Are you aiming this at me?
You're ignorant, if you are. I put 10,000 miles on my 10R in seven months in '04, then stopped riding the street and became a racer exclusively.
A racer can smoke you so bad... you have no idea what 'fast' really is. But no racer will make a diet out of leading idiots into soiling their underwear by enticing them to ride over their heads - there's just NO challenge in it. And most of the racers I know won't go fast on the streets, period, or go so far as to own no street-legal motorcycles.
Kids these days.
SO sensetive
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posted October 28, 2006 07:24 PM
205 with an 03 Gixxer.....wow....very interesting.
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posted October 28, 2006 07:38 PM
Edited By: redelk on 28 Oct 2006 20:40
Is this a "real" question?
Since I personally have done neither, I guess I can't answer. I just manage a CMRA race team going into our fourth season. I'll give it a shot anyway.
At our last event, there was an endurance team competing that had riders with the last names of Schwantz, Spies, Haner, Howard and Kienast. All CMRA members, but I would have to say that some have said they were "okay" riders.
Which is better? Someone carving through traffic at warp speed or Kevin Schwantz, Ben Spies, et.al.? Uhhhhh.... DUH! Not fair? They are not your "average" racer? Okay. In a 6 hour endurance race, their team finished 28th out of 39 teams, due to mechanical issues. So, I guess 27 "amateur" teams finished ahead of a former world champion, a current AMA champion and three other AMA riders. BTW - they were not leading when they broke down.
A racer on just about any level is a far more skilled and talanted rider than someone blasting through traffic or doing 205. There are a lot more riders doing mach speed down some highway, than there are racers. Professional or amateur. Probably because one has just balls and the other has both balls and skill.
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posted October 28, 2006 08:02 PM
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I was a flat tracker, I won the state championship and was a white plate 19 (19th in district 36). Won quite a few races on 40 inchers. But short track is what I loved best. Close racing, your leathers covered in tire tracks. Every weekend for years. Although the mile was a gas. Won a few road races, and a couple of desert races.
A good rider is one who knows his limits, can read the road and judge traction. On the street , he never goes over 80% of his ability and doesn't endanger others by passing in foolish spots or use traffic to get ahead of another rider. One who helps other with their skills. A good street rider never has a puckered asshole moment ( except when he sees a cop) The ability to go fast, is the ability to relax and think his way past the other rider.
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posted October 28, 2006 08:03 PM
Spies has come a long way though to his credit with the help of his trainer. On another note, I admire racers such as Duhamel, Rossi, The Kentucky kid, etc... I don't know if I have balls or skills but I have played both sides of the fence. I found honing your skills in a controlled atmosphere is alot cheaper and less hazardous. I rode New York rodes all my life . There's nothing like that feeling of going down one lane at mach one and then suddenly beamed over to another lane by a speed bump or pot hole. I need both worlds, sort of like ying and yang. How do you know if something is wet if you don't know what dry feels like?
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posted October 28, 2006 08:09 PM
Way to got Ted, a thinker with experience. That is the number one answer out of ten top answers on the board, when 100 people where asked what is considered a good rider. "One that knows his limits" That's old school but it still applies. There are still some good answers out there, I am very interested in your thoughts.
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posted October 28, 2006 11:22 PM
Edited By: fish_antlers on 29 Oct 2006 00:35
bkny..... if you're going to fish here you'll have to pull better numbers out of you ass than "205mph on the street with an '03 gixxer 1000" 
buddy.... yer chatting up some real people on this site...
reload and try again, this time with less bullshit.
-carry on
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posted October 28, 2006 11:57 PM
Fish is just jealous. He can't get above parking lot speeds without binning it.
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posted October 29, 2006 05:19 AM
205 on a gsxr 1000, make up some more bullshit. I once went 179 in a dodge neon, have a parking ticket to prove it.
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posted October 29, 2006 05:45 AM
will entertain this some....anyone that rides "mach one" on the street is an idiot.
That being said, I have ridden far faster on the street than I should have ( I was an idiot), I have riden Deals Gap and the surrounding roads alot faster than was legal, or was smart. Does it make me fast....hell no....
I have riden motorcycles since I was 4 years old, raced in some kind of series since I was 8. I have raced motocross, some flattrack, ice raceing, and now some roadracing. On season of track riding taught me more about my motorcycle and its capabilities than the previous YEARS of street riding ever could have. Riding the street doesnt hone any skills. If you are riding fast enough on the street to push your self to the limits, you are not long for this world. Something will happen sooner or later that you have no control over, and it will be the end. I have seen some very good riders die from circumstances out of their control. Hell we have had board member die like that.
To give you an example as to a street riders abilities. The past trackday at our local track, ended up being mostly a stunt and street rider group called Mayhem Riders out of El Paso. They were decent riders, but very little tract expierence. I clocked off a few lap times for them just watching how they did. One of them managed a 1:24...to put this in perspective, I wont the Beginner race last month on the same track turning 1:16's. A huge difference, no....but I am a beginner....we have experts that turn 1:09's. Thats a big difference.
The Mayhem riders are the guy that will ride past you on the highway at 140 on the back wheel.
They are also the guys that had 4 crashed on the track before I left at noon....
Personally I dont ride my ZX10 much on the street, kz2zx and I actually ride some of the same classes and have raced against each other more than once. I like him am making the 10 a track only bike....and I will ride my 2006 Vulcan Nomad on the street. Now you wanna talk about having fun, ride and 800 lb motorcycle with a passanger through the mountains and drag floorboards.....thats fun....and you can do it at almost legal speeds.....lol
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posted October 29, 2006 08:20 AM
I'm a Mach1 idiot....
If a racer tries to corner like he did up at da track, he'll be eating bark. A seasoned hard street rider can definetely embarass a racer.
I'm accused of taking too many chances, but that's my drug. I make no excuses about it. You get it, or you don't.
Nuttin' but friggin' stunners around here, so I'm rarely ever challenged at all. Seems I'm always on my own, blitzin' the backroads.
I've done a few trackdays, and it bored me. I can't believe people pay so much, to do controlled parade laps on a piece of pavement.
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posted October 29, 2006 08:31 AM
What do I think makes a good rider? I think a good rider is someone who cares enough for the sport NOT to give the police and public ammunition to smear the sport's reputation......
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posted October 29, 2006 08:48 AM
TedG pretty much covered it. In addition, "fast" is a relative term. Fast to one, may not be fast to another. Simply depends on the skill/talent level. In most cases, if a non-racer is faster than a racer, it would boil down to sense and risk (and knowing the particular section of road). Most racers with sense will not be willing to take the risks a street rider will. It doesn't make the street rider faster than the racer....
Speaking of Stunters - There are some very fast ones out there (around corners). I've had some very interesting rides with Jason Britton who I believe is one of the better Stunters. He is incrediably fast and thankfully he does not ride like he use to in the mountains. All in all, I am thourghly impressed with what Stunters can do with their bikes. Just wish more would do it in a safe enviornment so as to not endanger those innocents around you.
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posted October 29, 2006 10:50 AM
Hey fish, you do know after you click one down you can click up a few times to find more gears, or are you always running around in first? Was that neon falling off a cliff bently, 179? You never seen the lines on the highway turn solid yet have ya?
Jason Britton, what can I say about that guy? He has this one stunt I seen him do first hand called the light tower. He stands on the headlights of the bike while it's 12 0' clocked and idling forward. He is also a great rider too, no slouch. Mayhem riders, not everyone was cut out to race. I also do believe that stunters have a better chance learning how to race than a racer learning how to do a high chair or going 150 mph down the road on just their front wheel. That's just my opinion, don't take it to heart. It's not as easy as it looks to defy gravity.
So don't hate, be more concerned with what they were doing wrong and help them correct it. If you were hanging around them on a sunday afternoon in the vacant trucking lots trying some sh*t that looked wrong, they would help you do it the right way before letting you do the same sh*t over and over again till you bought the farm.
There's certain sh^t I do on the track that I just won't do on the streets. Riding around the track is like a dream but you wake the f*uck up on the ride home thru the streets. I don't blast thru traffic in the day time any more though, I mostly do it around 2-3 0'clock in the morning when there is hardly any traffic.
I don't find it challenging or necessary blowing past the family on their way to church or the grocery store. That's just uncalled for, skilled or not, one day you will cause a car to run off the road or you will run into the back of one that moved into your path trying to avoid you.
So far we have knowing your limits makes a good rider. That applies for the street rider or a racer. Knowing what's fast to you may not be fast to another. That also applies to the street or on the track. In both instances following a rider with more experience around a track or thru the streets can be a learning experience if you know your limits and how fast you can go. That alone will make you a good rider.
Newbies are forever trying to duplicate what they see rather than settle for what they can do for the moment and build on it fo the future. That's a main reason why bikes in the crash yards always have low mileage. I have seen people crash on their way home from the dealer. I like the feeling I'm getting out there and your responses.
P.S. I feel you're pain 12r1, sometimes it feels like you're the only one out there...
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posted October 29, 2006 11:11 AM
bkny.... again... this site is peppered with INDUSTRY people.
Try baiting your hook with less bullshit and your inspiring arguement might generate more discussion instead of rolling eyes and laughter.
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posted October 29, 2006 11:45 AM
Rolling eyes and laughter is only a sign of ignorance, People that swear they know everything already. You keep repeating this word bullsh*t, like a broken record. Do you have a suggestion, comment, anything, or do just you just run off your mouth about nothing?
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posted October 29, 2006 12:32 PM
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Rolling eyes and laughter is only a sign of ignorance, People that swear they know everything already. You keep repeating this word bullsh*t, like a broken record. Do you have a suggestion, comment, anything, or do just you just run off your mouth about nothing?
as ignorant as claiming you went 205 on a 03 Gixxer on the street?
so put that in your pipe and smoke it 
* sheesh *
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posted October 29, 2006 01:18 PM
Sounds like an accident Just looking for a place to happen! Could be little DICK Syndrome? A confident rider has nothing to prove to anyone let alone some twit who thinks warp 1 on a street is Cool.
YA recon at 36 it would have sunk in ? Guess not, just hope I never have the pleasure........No wonder Joe public thinks we are a bunch of dickheads.
This can only be one of two things posting crap like this here Dumb or Dumber. 205 mph on an 03 Gixer ? Show me the burns on your ass from the BOOSTER Rocket and I might believe you.
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posted October 29, 2006 01:41 PM
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Rolling eyes and laughter is only a sign of ignorance, People that swear they know everything already. You keep repeating this word bullsh*t, like a broken record. Do you have a suggestion, comment, anything, or do just you just run off your mouth about nothing?
as ignorant as claiming you went 205 on a 03 Gixxer on the street?
so put that in your pipe and smoke it
* sheesh *
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posted October 29, 2006 01:45 PM
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Sounds like an accident Just looking for a place to happen! Could be little DICK Syndrome? A confident rider has nothing to prove to anyone let alone some twit who thinks warp 1 on a street is Cool.
YA recon at 36 it would have sunk in ? Guess not, just hope I never have the pleasure........No wonder Joe public thinks we are a bunch of dickheads.
This can only be one of two things posting crap like this here Dumb or Dumber. 205 mph on an 03 Gixer ? Show me the burns on your ass from the BOOSTER Rocket and I might believe you.
Life is full of accidents waiting to happen. So what then, live in a f*cking bubble? Even bubbles have accidents. At least my little dick is bigger than yours mate! Joe public? Who cares? Joe public crucified jesus at one time, dropped atomic bombs, killed the ozone and now killing innocents for oil hiding behind the facade of the 9/11 incidents. F*ck joe public, they and anyone that does not like it can suck my little dick two times 
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posted October 29, 2006 01:48 PM
I rest my case!
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