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posted October 28, 2006 11:52 AM
I need better stopping power for my '04 10.
I need advice on stopping my '05 10R. I am thinking about putting the 14R calipers and master on but need to know if that's the way to go. I have the 6R master and calipers on now with race braided lines which stops alot better than the crap the 10R had but I want to know if the 14R would be a step up and what are the pros and cons about it. Thanks for any help given.
  
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posted October 28, 2006 01:42 PM
Whatchoo talkin' bout, Willis?
The crap the 10R had? O-kay...
Not crap. Not the absolute best on the market either, but hey, I race with stock cylinder and calipers.
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posted October 28, 2006 02:12 PM
Get you a set of zx14 calipers and be done
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posted October 28, 2006 03:29 PM
I have ridden a few bikes by just about every company and the 10R in particular does not stop your forward motion like it should. I hate guessing when it's going to stop. I don't have any problem with the power from it's low end to move the f^ck out the way. I just need it to come down from it's high faster than it does. I am leaning towards the 14R brakes setup, I just want to be sure it's a bolt-on without mods of any kind. Do you place in the top 20 with the oem set-up. Anybody can enter a race , doesn't make you a racer...
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posted October 28, 2006 05:24 PM
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I have ridden a few bikes by just about every company and the 10R in particular does not stop your forward motion like it should. I hate guessing when it's going to stop. I don't have any problem with the power from it's low end to move the f^ck out the way. I just need it to come down from it's high faster than it does. I am leaning towards the 14R brakes setup, I just want to be sure it's a bolt-on without mods of any kind. Do you place in the top 20 with the oem set-up. Anybody can enter a race , doesn't make you a racer...
You're funny. The 10Rs brakes were damn good in 2004, and still work fine.
Yes. I am a racer. Yes, every finish this year was top-20. More than a few were second and third-place finishes. I have about 130 races finished, and I'm in my second season. You?
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posted October 28, 2006 07:07 PM
Just an option
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=19&TID=17947
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posted October 28, 2006 07:44 PM
Edited By: bkny_31 on 28 Oct 2006 20:45
That is the most informative piece of work I have ever read, I may have to read it a few more times for it to sink in. My hat's off to you sir, there is intelligent life out there after all. Thanks redelk.
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posted October 28, 2006 07:58 PM
I wouldn't go that far, but thank you. Like I said earlier, its just another opinion. Nothing more.
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posted October 28, 2006 08:13 PM
Not an opinion, it should be carved in stone and displayed for everyone to see. You did your homework in school and all the extra credit didn't ya?
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posted October 28, 2006 08:35 PM
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Just an option
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=19&TID=17947
I'm leaving the master alone, Sherm, until I can justify the expense - that would be about 3 more seconds a lap before I'd pull the trigger.
IMO - the 10R's brakes are fine, they work well enough to haul me down from 140 to 90, they don't fade, and I'm doing well in my sprints.
bkny, you do whatever you want to. I truly hope you realize a benefit from a change - and that's where it really matters, if you're happy with any change you make to your machine.
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posted October 28, 2006 08:40 PM
Nice write up Sherm.
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posted October 28, 2006 10:03 PM
I followed Sherm's write up about a year ago and now I have good brakes, BUT I want GREAT brakes!! So the next step is ZX14 calipers.. A hard lap thru the GAP will find the lever very close to the bars.. The GAP is unreal hard on brakes.. You spend as much time on the brakes as you do the gas damn near. I do want to try the SRJL17 pads before the switch to see if that's all I need before I switch calipers.
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posted October 29, 2006 04:57 AM
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Not an opinion, it should be carved in stone and displayed for everyone to see. You did your homework in school and all the extra credit didn't ya?
The post did get put on the site's front page, so I guess that's about as close as I get to "stone". The homework is mostly due to the fact I have no life and talk (type) to much.
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I'm leaving the master alone, Sherm, until I can justify the expense - that would be about 3 more seconds a lap before I'd pull the trigger.
Oh come on. Your not being fair. You've been it in long enough that if it would cut ONE SECOND... you'd be all over it. 
Though most of our tracks are not liter friendly, we do have a few 10Rs running in CMRA and all of them are running STOCK master cylinders.
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Nice write up Sherm.
Thanks
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I followed Sherm's write up about a year ago and now I have good brakes, BUT I want GREAT brakes!! So the next step is ZX14 calipers.
Unless some folks start trashing 14s around here, that is an expense that will be out of my range for a while. It's bad enough I had to save up for a year to score the Brembo.
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posted October 29, 2006 05:52 AM
hey Dave....as far as brakes go its all about preference....Ivan is running stock brakes on his ZX10 adn we know how fast he is, He is running EBC HH pads, ( i know because i bought a set from him that is on my 10), and he is running Motul RBF600 fluid and some Galfer lines. but he is running a larger diameter line than most, but I dont know how big...
I played hell to get good feel from mine....just had to bleed them over and over and over till I got the air out...they are good now...I am running Galfer stainless, EBC HH's and the RBF also, made a huger difference. on a side not I prefer the Braking CM55 pads to the EBC, I like the initial bite of the Braking pads better than the EBC, but like I said, its preference...Ivan likes the progressive feel of the EBC's....
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posted October 29, 2006 11:22 AM
I thought it all came down to the faster you make them the more you concentrated on stopping them, not slowing down. I don't want to slow down I want to stop, the oem setup makes me feel like I am slowing to a stop.
You may say you have no life but everyone's life has a meaning. Yours is to enlighten the ones that do not know, ask the questions that no one else does. Who the f*ck would question the diameter of a brake line, then correlate it with how they feel and why manufacturer's do what they do?
They way you suggest is costly so why be cheap with your life. Ladies and gentlemen, everytime you turn that key and leave your driveway it's not luck that brings you home safely.
God is first and foremost in your life, but let knowledge be the key.
Don't be foolish or ignorant dave, the oem setup is holding up your show. 2-3 seconds is a lifetime on the track and make a huge difference like a 2-3 hp gain makes a world of difference also. I am sure You would pay $500 for an extra 5hp, why would you not do the same to brake that bitch down and run better numbers?
Just to let you know Sherm I am going to do what you suggest but I have a 14r setup on it's way though and will let you know how it turns out either way. Thank you master, I have been enlightened...
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posted October 29, 2006 02:21 PM
its not a matter of paying money to get to stop, its a matter of spending money wisely....who out there is so fast that they have to have a full brembo system??? Maladin...Hayden...Rossi.....not you or I.
So why am I going to spend the money on that set up...I am not....
Bkny you talk about going fast and stopping fast....talk to the guys that go to maxton see what they are running....would take bets that most of them arent running as an elaborate of a set up as Sherm has on his bike...they dont need it...truth be told Sherm doesnt need it, he wants it, so he bought it.
I have met Sherm and ridden with him and he is a far better rider than he gives himself credit for, I can attest as to how hard he can make himself to pass.
So the issue is, do you WANT, or NEED....because you are not fast enough to NEED anything like that....
Will say bkny, you have done a good job of trolling this site with the past few threads...all I can say is if you ride like you claim, I am glad I dont ride in NY.....
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posted October 29, 2006 08:07 PM
Edited By: bkny_31 on 29 Oct 2006 20:10
If I could afford a full brembo set-up I would, but I don't compete at that level of those guys. I have always been content with an oem set-up and only changed the pads and lines to get what I needed.
I don't know about anyone else but I almost always change my oil at break-in and upgrade all fluids. I go from a 530 to 520 with one down in front and the back varies to the application I need at the time. I change to the latest dunlops (209 gp's now) always buy 10 sets at a time.
I am in love witht the 10, it's my fav in my stable. I have 4 other steeds but this may not be the forum for them. I just want to stop the bike without going overboard. I think Kawi could have done a better job on the fastest litre bike to come out of hell's fury.
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posted October 30, 2006 03:41 AM
Put the 14 calipers on your 10...bolt on with no mods. That'll get you from 205 to 0 in 2 seconds.
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posted October 30, 2006 08:55 AM
Edited By: bkny_31 on 30 Oct 2006 08:55
Got the whole 14's setup on route from a friend in vegas, just wanted to know my alternatives.
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posted October 30, 2006 02:29 PM
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Bkny you talk about going fast and stopping fast....talk to the guys that go to maxton see what they are running....would take bets that most of them arent running as an elaborate of a set up as Sherm has on his bike...they dont need it...truth be told Sherm doesnt need it, he wants it, so he bought it.
I have met Sherm and ridden with him and he is a far better rider than he gives himself credit for, I can attest as to how hard he can make himself to pass.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
DUDE! That was on my 12R, which was too much bike for me. Now that I have a 10R with Traxxion forks, Penske shock, Brembo MC and Vortex adjustable rearsets, not to mention hanging around the track for three years... I'm SLOWER THAN EVER BEFORE!
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
BTW - The only reason I have a GP shift pattern is so I won't bin one of the race bikes while test riding them.
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posted October 30, 2006 03:44 PM
you know Sherm when I started riding the track all it did was make me realize how fast I wasnt.......lol
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posted October 31, 2006 06:35 AM
This thread has just about fulfilled its useful life. Lock down imminent.
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posted October 31, 2006 09:29 AM
I got all the info I need, thanks.
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posted November 01, 2006 07:12 PM
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posted November 02, 2006 10:46 AM
Great thread, sherm don't lock it down bro. I am a newbie to the 10R, and you know how I ride, which lets you know that the brakes ain't cuttin' it for me.
It's hard to explain, I actually like the brakes. A great smooth feel to them, they just lack power IMHO. I've talked to Chris a great deal about this and he ran the same pads and stuff on his 12R that I did. I actually loved my old 12R's brakes, rubber hoses and all. But the fucking thing heeled down great, and never once made me think "damn,...I need more stoping power." So I told Chris, if I can just get my brakes on the 10 on par with what my 12 had, then I'm a happy guy. He says his bike with the spiegler SS lines and carbone lorraine pads heels down very well, superior to what his 12R was, and I have no reason to doubt a guy that I've rode thousands of miles with, and knows my riding habits better than I do.
But he didn't do the lines, so I don't know for sure what spec they are, or the pads for that matter. But I feel if I can duplicate his set-up, I'll be happy with it for sure. I can do all of this for around $300, which I feel will be worth every penny of it, especially when gap time comes. I am WAY easier on brakes than I used to be and use a completely different riding style, a style that should go hand in hand with the 10R.
I do wish it'd wheelie though.......... 
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