brobin01
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posted August 19, 2006 05:50 PM
 Edited By: brobin01 on 19 Aug 2006 18:52
Some HELP.... anyone swap out the 190/55 Rear Tire with a 190/50 ... Does it FIX the
Some HELP.... anyone swap out the 190/55 Rear Tire with a 190/50 ... Does it FIX the Horrible Front End feel ??
I now have 4K on my 06 zx10 and 400 on my 06 CBR1000 ..... The ZX10 can destroy my CBR but the Front End feels like a Truck. I'm hoping swapping out the tires will fix it.
ZX10 has beter plastic, fit and finsh, tripple trees, rotor, screen, body work, POWER, smother and I have them both so it make no difference to me which one is best. But, the front feels like a @#$ Truck and thats why I bout the CBR1000rr 06. The CBR feels exactly like a 02 - 03 R1 but more power and handling. I had 2 of the 02 R1's and a 00 R1.
The ZX10 rocks but handles like shit .... so can someone please please help with this.
Thank You,
Brian
  
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posted August 19, 2006 08:01 PM
From what I have read a competent rider can kick the Honda's ass on a 10R. My personal experience with my 04 is the front requires a lot of your attention, but even in bone stock trim it will cut some very hot laps. Since none of the fast guys buy Hondas anymore, I can't tell you what it's like to dice with one, but I suspect the extra weight, softer chassis, and weaker engine don't add up to a worthy adversary. Do I have to spell it out for you, or can you read the message?
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cptcrunch
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posted August 20, 2006 03:22 AM
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Some HELP.... anyone swap out the 190/55 Rear Tire with a 190/50 ... Does it FIX the Horrible Front End feel ??
I now have 4K on my 06 zx10 and 400 on my 06 CBR1000 ..... The ZX10 can destroy my CBR but the Front End feels like a Truck. I'm hoping swapping out the tires will fix it.
ZX10 has beter plastic, fit and finsh, tripple trees, rotor, screen, body work, POWER, smother and I have them both so it make no difference to me which one is best. But, the front feels like a @#$ Truck and thats why I bout the CBR1000rr 06. The CBR feels exactly like a 02 - 03 R1 but more power and handling. I had 2 of the 02 R1's and a 00 R1.
The ZX10 rocks but handles like shit .... so can someone please please help with this.
Thank You,
Brian
Thats the first time I have heard anybody say the 06zx10r handles like shit. I have one and I think it is one of the smoothest bikes I have ever been on. ( dont feel heavy in the front to me)
 
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ducatijay
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posted August 20, 2006 04:09 AM
i don't think your suspension is set-up right. if you think about your question, it makes no sense for your problem. a taller tire would make the bike turn in faster. why would you want to turn in slower...........
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brobin01
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posted August 20, 2006 04:43 AM
Some additional information .... past bikes 2 * 02 R1, 200 R1, 00 ZX9R, 2 * 98 CBR900 RR, 04 GSXR750, and others but not in sam caliber.
I shared that to show I have a pretty solid platform on how the bike should handle along with the obivous question about skill.
Regarding 04 zx10R .... it is a completly different bike regarding to handling. It closer to the Fisrt Generation R1 than to the 06 ZX10R.
Regarding Rear Tire .... Taller and Wider tires dramatically change the handling .... the new ZX10R has a Track Tire (Tall 190/55) so it Falls Into the Corners but Turns like a bus a slow (50 and under) speeds. It also cause the Motor to spin up harder. So thats where to start.
Last note ..... guys with the 06ZX10R..... Ive most all of the bikes and the MAGS just suck when giving the Write Ups. Most of them rated my 06 CBR1000RR as 2nd Place but it cant hold a stick to my 0rZX10R. Trust me on that because I ride them back to back and compared every inch from side to side.
Now if I can get the damn handling down I will have the perfect bike.
My fear is .... it's the New ZX10R Fork Rake so it CANT be FIXED ... if so then it deservs Last Place.
Thank You Very Much Folks,
Brian
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ducatijay
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posted August 20, 2006 08:19 AM
let's try this.......
what's your settings now?
what's your tire pressure?
how much do you weigh?
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ninja turtle
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posted August 20, 2006 08:38 AM
From my recent experiene with tires I agree with you that if yu are running dunlop qualifiers you might have trucklike turning problems with your bike. I messed with the suspension and tire pressures to get my bike to turn(I have an 05). Got it to turn but on the straights any bumps would make the bike headshake. Not good. Big headshake. Did not have that problem with stock tires. I know the stock tires are not great but at least it would turn. 218 front and qualifier back, turned great, with qualfier front? turned like a truck. Went back to stock settings suspension wise, went to 34 psi front, 36 back and slacked off my damper until it is almost off. It still shakes over the bumps on turns but it is not dangerous anymore As I can get the bike to actually flip flop fast enough not to make me wonder if it would ever make the second turn. Riding qualifiers is like learning a new bike. I am going to change brands after one more weekend. Have about 1500km on these tires and they are almost worn, front is scalloped already. Everyone seems to be recommending the Michelins. Track days they recommend 30 front 31 rear psi. My daughter put 190's on her 06 and she says it turns slower, also becuase it is lower you have to be careful where to park as the bike might fall over as it does not lean on the kickstand the same. The new qualifiers stay in a turn without anymore input no matter how much throttle you give it stays still, you actually have to make it stand up to complete the turn, does not feel natural to me. Can't ride by feel anymore and adjust my lines with throtlle. I used to adjust my lines by gassing it on exits and to stand it up. Can't do that with qualifiers. You have to make the bike stand up so to flip flop tight corners you have to be very quick in gettting your body where it has to be and haul the bike over by twisting the handles very hard and push like crazy on the pegs. I am never certain I will be quick enough, takes all my concentration to make it happen then if there are any bumps deal with the headshake as the damper is almost off. I am looking forward to trying the Michelins, they can't be worse. Good luck with your handling problems, I think it is the tire brand
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brobin01
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posted September 08, 2006 08:43 PM
I swap out the back with a B002 then shimed the back another 3MM along with droping the front 1 line and it is now better than new. It still cant turn like my CBR1000RR 06 but it turns plenty fast enough along with more predictability !!
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longy00000
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posted September 13, 2006 06:38 AM
I have changed from Qualis to Michelin 2CTs and dropped down from the 190/55 to a 190/50. My initial observations are as follows.
The bike does ride quite a bit lower, makes for getting your leg over much easier !
The bike remains very stable in a straight line so no change there (Have tested upto indicated 165mph)
Its a little harder to start a turn (but very little in it) but and this is where it wins for me the lean process is much smoother and more progressive. the Qualis would lean , lean and then drop into the bend which is a little unnerving unless you are riding hard on a track where it feels normal. But on the road at slower less committed speeds it NEVER felt right to me. The Mich "feels" much nicer to me when turning in.
Also dont forget with the reduced circumfrance of the smaller profile you get slightly stronger acceleration as a by product.
Tyre life span, i was getting about 1200 miles on a rear and about 2100 on a front with 250 miles now done on the Mich i can say they hardly look scrubbed in so hopefully will out last the Qualis , which is a great bonus if they do.
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posted September 13, 2006 11:48 AM
word around the race tracks is this...the 06 has a handling issue, I guess Doug Chandler has been working on some things to make them handle a little better, namely some new linkages for the rear shock and ome other stuff....not sure what all....some guys are playing with shims for the rear shocks, and others replaceing them all together..I have seen guys change tire profiles on the front with varied results...I would start with a turnbuckle style dog bones for the rear and try that....and try different profiles on the tires....try raising or lowering the forks in the triple clamp and see what works....
the bike seems to like the Mich Pilot Powers....try those see what happens...
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brobin01
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posted September 15, 2006 10:54 AM
Great Feedback..
You can get the height back by add spacers to the rear shock mount. Now heres the deal ..... to get it up high you will need a New Spacer which has a Hock to Stop the shock from Twisting. Normal spacing will Not make up the extra 11mm lost going to the 190/50 profile.
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Hells Dark Lord
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posted September 15, 2006 06:07 PM
remember the more you raise the back or lower the front, the more twitchy the front will get....got to find the balance...
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cptcrunch
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posted September 16, 2006 04:56 AM
I went to a 190/50 from the 190/55 on one of my 06s kinda made the bike feel a little stiff in the corrners so I tried the 180/50. that made it turn in alot better, but I like the pilot powers and it dont come in a 190/55 or I would go back to it.
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zx10r000000
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posted September 19, 2006 11:18 PM
I have an 06 and have not had problems with the front. Just make sure you start right get the sag set correctly and if you 6'0 and weight 220 like myself your rear shock can not be set to proper sag which on the rear is somewhere between 25mm and 28 mm if your depending on your riding. I replaced the rear shock with on OHlins and man what a differance that made with the whole bike.
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zx10r000000
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posted September 19, 2006 11:31 PM
I have read everything that has been posted about this problem. Get the suspension set right or close. I really have spent sometime working on my suspension sets at the track ( Willow spring ) I was having the same type of problem with my front it felt like it was packing pretty bad ( really bad going into turn 8 at Willow) so i backed everything out to mid range setting and started over I have the thing dailed pretty good now the front feels confident and stable now.
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zx10r000000
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posted September 19, 2006 11:38 PM
Can not be a lot wrong with the 06 because Toye won the 200 on won. thought I'd through that in.
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longy00000
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posted September 25, 2006 05:25 AM
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Great Feedback..
You can get the height back by add spacers to the rear shock mount. Now heres the deal ..... to get it up high you will need a New Spacer which has a Hock to Stop the shock from Twisting. Normal spacing will Not make up the extra 11mm lost going to the 190/50 profile.
Take your point but i have to say that the whole bike feels better for me (with my height + weight etc) as it is now the back has dropped a little. Everything just "feels" that little bit better and the only trade off is i have had to wind the streering damper up a bit as with less weight on the front it was wagging its head a little more than it used too. But other than that i will probably stick with this set up now.
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longy00000
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posted September 25, 2006 05:29 AM
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Can not be a lot wrong with the 06 because Toye won the 200 on won. thought I'd through that in.
Theres def not a lot wrong with it, but like every new bike you have to experiment a little to find that super sweet spot in terms of ridability and handling etc etc.
If you look at Gixer boards or Honds boards there forums are full of the same types of threads, Gixers is often about weak brakes, Yam owners usually deabte a weak bottom end and poor ground clearance etc.
Each to there own but i like you ,love the 10.
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