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posted June 18, 2006 03:25 AM
 Edited By: salsa1 on 18 Jun 2006 04:27
ZX-10R Rim Repairable??
Hi Guys: Happy fathers day...
Need to ask; is a front and rear wheel ever repairable?
Traveled 250 miles yesterday sown ro Omaha Nebraska to get a dyno map done... gained 10 hp ..was happy with that... but...
On the way to the dyno shop just 5 minutes before I got there ; I ran over a 4 X 4 wood piece someone thoughtfully left on the road....I believe I hit it straight on or close to.. now I have a bent lip on the front wheel and during the dyno testing the tuner experienced pronounced vibration coming from the back wheel as well....
He told me I would feel the vibrations going back home... I left the shop concerned of course and still am but during the whole 275 mile trip back home she ran fine .... not really showing any distortion problems that stand out anyways.. even at triple digit speeds ...sure I known this is a safety issue ...
The question is are wheels after a hit ever repairable or totally out of the question due to possible loss of structural integrity?
I feel inclined to repair; just not sure if a crazy idea ...Don't really want to go be with Jesus before my time...
Asking for expertise here fellas....
Thanks!!
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posted June 18, 2006 03:41 AM
Unless you have the ZX10 with spoked wheels and the knowledge to repair them, its time for new wheels. (And bearings while you're in there.)
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posted June 18, 2006 04:48 AM
wheels are very repairable. If I remember correctly, Otis has the number of a guy that knows how to straighten them.
Someone has a number....ask around...
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posted June 19, 2006 02:08 PM
yes there are two(2) companies that do
a real good job
BUT!!!!!!!!!
if you are going to live up to the bikes potential
can you live after a wheel failure
at 100mph
150mph or 180mph ++++++ !!!!!!!!!!
can you ????
if so i will post both companies b4 weeks end
both will do as well as can be expected with run out &truing
yet i sure neither will guarantee against the "G"
loading at those speeds
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posted June 19, 2006 08:55 PM
I can't corner any where near the full potential of the ZX-10R . me like dragracing... got about 5 shops/connections that repair.. ..
liking "metro" for their professional process and turn around time so far... bent lip on rim does not seem very serious; I rode about 350 miles as is including some triple digit short runs
; just took the wheel off an hour ago... will decide who to send this week ASAP...
Thanks for any info that get thrown my way.. not as concerned as at the begining... new -the wheel is $515.00 before taxes..no need to pay that with my cornering skills...I'll keep her under 180 mph and avoid sustained speeds flat out... mostly looks like the wheel needs a lip job; metro checks for cracks and seems to inspect meticulously.
Thanks for any additional info!!
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posted June 20, 2006 12:18 PM
I have an extra front I will sell you $350 with rotors.
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posted June 20, 2006 02:19 PM
Sent out to "Frame Man" should be less than $90.00 ...guy had 15 other rims to repair just today..over 25 years repairing motorcycle wheels...
Nothing new really... risk is to be weighted according top damage ... case by case basis...
Thanks for offer Philmy3rdleg.....
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posted June 20, 2006 02:49 PM
Edited By: flite leader on 20 Jun 2006 15:50
neither of the rim repairs will guarantee you wont geta hair line crack
following repair or the wheel will fail
you say...........
its a result of repair
they say...........
result of injury
they simply will not accept that liability of
Injury or DEATH
if a tire should equalize!!!!!!
or a wheel come apart
that cant happen cornering????????.....
then a guard rail visit
or
a drop off ????
darwinisim at its finest !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thinning out the gene pool
at the shallow end
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posted June 20, 2006 04:44 PM
bondo and a hammer?
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posted June 20, 2006 05:52 PM
Edited By: salsa1 on 20 Jun 2006 19:05
You mean perhaphs Death !!?? hmmmmmm riding will be more exciting with repaired rim....
"I toy with death on every corner ...yet I am fearless...hahahahahaha!
Well ....will try to have fun..... yeah thats it....good enough...
http://www.motorcycleframeman.com/wheel001.html
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posted June 21, 2006 04:37 AM
he babble sence not more
than sence he not make
for sure not now
anyway idiot he is sound
6th drade out drop moron has input usefull not today
anyday or pool smaller gene hopefully today
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salsa1
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posted June 21, 2006 05:22 AM
Yoda wannabe? hehe
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posted June 21, 2006 05:32 AM
thats a good name for him...LOL LOL LOL Yoda lol lol
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posted June 21, 2006 05:54 AM
Edited By: salsa1 on 21 Jun 2006 10:33
Well I did my research ... called at least 6-7 outfits that specialize on motorcycle wheel repair and have for over 20 years... some use controlled heat which I favored and some did not ... they use hydraulics pressure at controled amounts and many of their machines are built by themselves... some provide finishing at an extra cost ...some just hope your wheel stays as new and would not require finishing touches ;or you repaint and or finish... prices ranged from $180 to $ 55.00 turn around time also varied but most were able to complete within a week once they recieve wheel... all claimed to have done literally thousands upon thousands thru the years...all on the road today no law suits or wheels coming apart as some may fear.. so they claim anyways.. you can be the judge when you talk to them if you ever do...
I liked "the process" used by "metro" the best.. most convincing and sophisticated.. they charge $150.00 which includes "finishing" if needed ; $129.00 if not.:
http://www.metrowheels.net/wheelrepairprocess.htm
I went with "The Frame Man" who came highly recomended... I have a Bachelor of Science in Electrical Engineering Degree... no big deal lots of that around.. educated non the less I asked a number of questions and the Frame Man answered to my satisfaction all of them..
He charges $55-$60 on average for my type of lip repair where the other shops charged a higher price which included a wide variety of damages types.. Frame man was less and he zeroed in on my particular repair needed which I see as minor compared to a major crash or big damage... He will recieve my wheel Monday and call me up to verify it is indeed repairable otherwize he would not repair.. he was big on that conditional policy.. so far so good....
I will never pay $515.00 for a new wheel while having reasonable options.. anyone who wants to if their wheel hits a pothole and somehow gets bent has my blessing to do what they wish with their money.... as far as my money I have better things to spend high dollar on.. these are my findings and they are a personal choice not Gospel by any means..
Hope this information is of use to anyone finding themselves in my situation.....
Have fun!!
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posted June 21, 2006 06:20 AM
Excelent post, I hope I never need the service but its good to know there is alternitives out there.
Thanks for the research.
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posted June 21, 2006 02:15 PM
my conscious is salved............
to heat treat part of an aluminum wheel
would invite weakness elsewhere........................& possible failure
to simply put an aluminum wheel in a heat treat
oven would simply warp it outright
anyone that knows heat treating or metalurgy will concur
yet there are other ways to straighten & true a wheel
on this site not toooo long along
someone showed pictures of a busa rear wheel & a fracture
not that long ago
someone was having tire pressure issues associated
wirh a hair line crack
army of darkness a noted endurance race rteam had a front wheel
completely collapse under braking
most race tracks...........NO potholes !!!!!
most sensible racers NO wheelies
yet the cycle of several seasons of of thousands of times braking
hard from top speed collapse a wheel
then suzuki reduced the dimensions the very next year
ride at your own risk
ride at the level of you choose
this i can say without reserve
i read more thrash on a 12 site...........
some even qualify what they say by the fact they do it
have done so .........no consequence ??????
i woud NEVER
i have NEVER
written anything that would compromise anyones safety
my conscious is salved
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posted June 21, 2006 07:41 PM
i heard a rumor from a buddy of mine that was in a local bike shop. He said they had all these bent/dented rims on the walls and he asked "what are they" THe guy explained they were all from zx10rs, doing wheelies whatever, so apparently doesn't take much w/ these rims. Maybe they were designed to be lighter, therefore thinner aluminum? I do wheelies here and there, the other day i landed little hard. THankfully I don't see anything yet, but I do keep it in mind. any feedback on this?
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posted June 21, 2006 08:35 PM
Edited By: salsa1 on 21 Jun 2006 22:10
Quote:
"my conscious is salved............
to heat treat part of an aluminum wheel
would invite weakness elsewhere........................& possible failure
to simply put an aluminum wheel in a heat treat
oven would simply warp it outright
anyone that knows heat treating or metalurgy will concur"
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No kidding???
What level of education or engineering experience you base your claims on?? .. what do you posess other than assumption to make any statements at all to illuminate flight leader "?
Heard your comments... now tell me just who are you ? Just to back up hope for credibility for yourself??
... you read off the posts of some one else and draw hard conclusions... facinating!!
Did you ever study the elasticity of metals under any kind of formal education ?
tell me without looking it up : What is youngs modulus?
Melting point of aluminium? At what exact temperature does the aluminum designed into the ZX-10R wheel become annealed?
FYI
I design electrical power systems and substations which use conductors composed of aluminum and steel and know by education and 17 years of profession they both give while under heat ; theY get loaded by huge amounts of power every day and return to their normal state by design .....I am not the foremost authority in transmission line design but can tell ignornce on this matter when I see it....
what part of "controlled heat " don't you understand??
This is done scientifically not by guesswork like you do your presentations to all of us .......
Get some facts not isolated cases to make your point please... if fear is the basis for your choices then when you have this problem make sure you spend the money to buy brand new and save your conscious and your hide at the same time...I have no problem with that.
You simply don't have a clue about what you are saying thus far.....
You are not a productive individual or helping anyone if you have not noticed...
thanks! I am done good night .. do some research it will help you....
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posted June 22, 2006 02:23 AM
I gotta see this response. This autta be good.
FL school of b/s is now in session...
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posted June 22, 2006 06:43 AM
FIERCE! Now say it again with a lisp.
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posted June 23, 2006 01:31 PM
DAMNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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posted June 23, 2006 01:35 PM
salsa1 I dont know if a repair on a rim will make it any less safe or not, But for me I guess i just want to be 100% sure I say spend the $515.00 and then you know The less you question the better you will feel on your bike
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