lastman
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posted June 12, 2006 06:07 AM
 Edited By: lastman on 12 Jun 2006 07:09
Front end vague feeling (drop forks or not)
Slowly dialling the bike in but still have a slight vague feeling on the front. I am going to drop the forks through next but have not seen any recommendations for how much.
I thought I would go with 4 mm and see if I get better feed back from the front. Bike is on BT014's
My question is has anyone dropped the front by 4mm or so and felt any improvement (apart from quicker steering)
Thanks
  
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cptcrunch
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posted June 12, 2006 08:22 AM
I dropped it 4mm and for some reason it felt stiff in the corrners, I dont understand that one but I quickly put it back to factory. and increased my damping and recoil feels a little better
but I only noticed a problem at high speed anyway
 
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philmy3rdleg
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posted June 12, 2006 11:52 AM
Here is what I found after a few track days. The stock rear shock compression doesn't work that well, so I got a new one. I know what your thinking... What does the front have to do with the back? Let me explain... The back squats to fast and rebounds to slow. Putting the rear in down to fast in mid corner causes the front to push wide and loose mid corner feel. Another thing is if you want to stay with a street/track day tire and like bridgestone try the BT012SS. Make sure they are the SS's, they have a front profile simular to the 002 race tire. I also didn't like the compression in the forks so I put in a traxxion dynamics AK-20 cartridge kit. Which improve front end feel and tracks under braking alot better. Also, when you switched from d218 to bt014 did you measure you tire size?
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flite leader
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posted June 12, 2006 02:51 PM
me thinks tooo much front tire pressure
no less increasing rear ride height will give better front feel
especially on entrance to a turn
ultimately it really depends on Your riding style
same bike different person......equals Totally Different set up !!!
same with the tires....
you will keep on experimenting until you
hit your sweet spot & one that will work for
if not for anyone else
good luck
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bend your mind.....
or break your ass...!!
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bovinespongiformencephalo
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posted June 12, 2006 08:30 PM
Look at Sportriders site for Kunitsugu's settings. He may be a one track wonder, but his set-up info is usually very close.
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lastman
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posted June 13, 2006 01:08 AM
Tyre pressures are standard 36 42 front rear. Tyre sizes are standard and I am running an Elka shock which is dialled in fine.
It's not an understeer issue or tuck in, just a lack of feel for the grip. I may try the 4mm drop, though I know this can sometimes cause a bike to not steer well.
I will post my findings.
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SVtoZX
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posted June 13, 2006 04:44 PM
When I bought my 06 10R back in Feb, I noticed it felt pretty vague up front too. I put a little preload in the back, and took some out of the front (a bit more nose down attitude in short) and that seemed to help a little bit. I did notice that whenever it warmed up above 60F that it felt a bit better as well. Then one day on a nice brisk morning, I turned a bit too hard/late on a lukewarm tire... and had a nice asphault breakfast shortly after the front just went away. I blame myself, as it was a silly mistake, but I never did have a warm fuzzy with the Dunlop Q's BEFORE that... and I'd never had anything like that happen on any of my other bikes...; they just had to go. I spooned a set of pilot powers on not to long ago, and I'd say that the front feels MUCH better than it did on the dunlops. It's still not perfect, but it is much much much better. They felt a little strange at first, honestly, but I'm much more comfortable now than I ever was on the Q's. On a different note, but still related, going a tooth down on the front helped -my- feel for corner entries at slower speeds. I didn't feel comfortable at all cornering hard with less than 5K on the tach (the Bus Stop @ Arroyo seco is pretty knarly at 40mph... well down in the rev range for a stock-geared liter-bike). It seems like I 'feel' the bike better when it's spinning more in the 7k+ range. That's probably just me, but I'd thought I'd mention it.
After doing a trackday last week, I did notice something neat as well. It seemed that the more riding I did (read: the warmer the tires got), the better the front felt. Maybe it was just getting into a grove with it, but it seemed like the feedback got better when it was being pushed harder than I could ride it on the street. I'd say the bike is quite sensitive to set-up, but it does in fact work -MUCH- better when it's being pushed hard in its element (read: hauling ass on a closed course  ).
Keep us posted on that 4mm thing though when you do it... I'm quite curious.
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