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posted June 19, 2006 01:10 PM
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Change in plans, otto65 sent the 10r head to http://www.npsracing.com
They did a radius valve job, intake porting as per the kawi 10r racing manual from kawasaki, contoured the guides, some chamber work, cut the head to bring the compression back after chamber work and a little exhaust port work.
Were using the thin head gasket.
Deck height is .008"
The bike from the factory was 106/104 but the factory spec is 104/102. It made 159 hp after mapping with those cam settings and a Sato TI pipe, and a BMC air filter, but NO ignition timing advance at all.
We put the kawi racing intake cam in at 107 and the intake valve to piston clearance is .045"
The exhaust cam is at 102. The racing manual reccomends 108/102.
Now all it needs it some ignition timing advance.
Hopefully we can dyno both my 12r and his 10r next weekend and post some results.
Have you made it to the dyno after the changes??
  
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posted June 19, 2006 02:03 PM
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welcome to va .......jim
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dyno'd 205+ at the rear wheel
why dont you bring down your farnkenstein motor
& plenty of cash
we'll show you how its done..........down south
teeeeeeeeeee heeeeeeeeeeee
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posted June 20, 2006 02:16 AM
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Have you made it to the dyno after the changes??
No he hasnt dynoed it yet. He's been working tons of hours. He's talking about this weekend... ???
Flite, whats your point? You want him to race a turbo bike?
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posted June 20, 2006 03:14 PM
my point is
neither are frankenstein motors..........HOORAY!!!!!!!
o by the way
if you can read
1 is NORMALLY ASPIRATED !!!!!!
heres lookin to see your dyno #'s
& how long it stays together ......???
i simply cant wait
but then you might tell a LIE!!!!
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posted June 20, 2006 03:31 PM
afterall jim
if you gotta go in one
you might as well go "all in".............Right ????
we are talkin 10's here right ?????
if not the mostest
& done right
why bother
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad poker face !!!!!!!!!!
bwwwwwwwwaaaaaaa!!!!!
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posted June 20, 2006 03:46 PM
FL, are you going to fill this thread with all your usual useless garbage?
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posted June 21, 2006 02:24 PM
i cant wait to see your #'s
but i will
make sure youby some helium
so that you can inflate your #'s
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posted June 27, 2006 04:52 AM
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Change in plans, otto65 sent the 10r head to http://www.npsracing.com
They did a radius valve job, intake porting as per the kawi 10r racing manual from kawasaki, contoured the guides, some chamber work, cut the head to bring the compression back after chamber work and a little exhaust port work.
Were using the thin head gasket.
Deck height is .008"
The bike from the factory was 106/104 but the factory spec is 104/102. It made 159 hp after mapping with those cam settings and a Sato TI pipe, and a BMC air filter, but NO ignition timing advance at all.
We put the kawi racing intake cam in at 107 and the intake valve to piston clearance is .045"
The exhaust cam is at 102. The racing manual reccomends 108/102.
Now all it needs it some ignition timing advance.
Hopefully we can dyno both my 12r and his 10r next weekend and post some results.
Still standing by, IM very interested in your results.
Have you made it to the dyno after the changes??
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posted June 27, 2006 05:34 AM
Well Otto65 hasnt gotten it to the dyno yet. Its been raining here for years now. Or what seems like years. He had an apointment for last saturday again, and had to cancel due to downpours and flooding etc.
I havent even gotten my 1375 on the dyno yet. Its pissing me off.
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posted July 02, 2006 10:37 AM
otto65 dynoed the bike on sat. The bike gaines 4 hp above 11k and lost 6 hp below 10k all the way down. Its still making more power right u[p untill it hit the rev limiter.
so it could use an extended race ecu for sure. The ignition timing module wasnt working so they couldnt do any timing advance. I wasnt there so i dont know all the details.
But he's not happy with the cam.
Gunner you were right, loss of power low and mid and a minimal gain up top. same results as you.
I dont think the NPS "radius valve job" did much, but without reving the engine higher and addind timing its hard to say.
Hes going to call dynojet and see whats up with the timing module and dyno it again.
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posted July 02, 2006 11:18 AM
what did the bike make peak horse power at? my cams are set at 107/102 and its perfect, I had 105/103 in there once and it make gobs of power and jsut kept on climbing but my bike is now at 107.102 and peak power is around 12,000 powercommander rpm and then it starts to drop off so I get to use all of the pwoer.
got a dyno sheet?
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posted July 02, 2006 12:04 PM
Hummmmm??? This makes for some interesting reading for sure. Mine is going on the pump tomorrow at 11 am. I'll know tomorrow what it has or don't have. If she's good to me she keeps a home and will be rewarded. If she's a POS there's no love left in my heart for it. There's a 14 in my future sooner than later. Less than one day and the future will be written for my little 10R 
By the way Garth my cams are at 105/103 why did you change from that setting? I tried 107/104 and wasn't impressed with the loss of low and mid for the small exchange of top power. If there was more piston to valve I would have went 103 or 102 and 100 or 101. Power thru the mid gets the job done 
Jim that timing module is very touchy about loading maps. Nearly everytime I screw with mine I end up with 1/2 a map loaded  I always disconnect and rehook everything to see for sure that the whole map made it's way over. You'll think it made it many times only to find that only 1/2 the map transfered. It's a quirk in the software I'm sure.
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posted July 02, 2006 04:33 PM
I'll pass that on about the module. Gee wernt the ole pc-III R's nice.
Now it cost a hell of a lot more and it doesnt work half the time. Or at all in this case.
I'll get a copy of the run files from him. And post graphs. Also have a set of dyno files of another friends 06 stock GSXR1000 that was run right after his 04 10r. Good for speculation...
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posted July 02, 2006 04:42 PM
I may not want to see the Gixxer run file 
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posted July 02, 2006 05:00 PM
well the gsxr was about 150... still waiting for the files etc.
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posted July 03, 2006 03:05 PM
overlap usually helps midrange.. why didnt he go 105/102
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posted July 04, 2006 04:16 AM
Supra, I dont think he could get it to 105. 105.5 would be about as advanced he could go with that valve clearance.
I wanted to advance the intake cam to .028" piston to valve clearance and leave it at that, but he wanted 107.
I think if you are going to run 108 or 107 you need the extended rev ECU from kawi so you can make use of the power above 12,500.
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posted July 04, 2006 07:07 AM
I wouldn't rev it up without some better springs
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posted December 25, 2006 11:32 AM
Edited By: mrsantafe on 25 Dec 2006 11:33
Bringing back an old post excellent read. Gunner did you finally get your bike dialed in and if so what kind of gains did you get with your cam timing? With your cam timing was there still a loss in the low to mid range and what kind of gain did you get on top? I wonder if Dave Owens has and extended ecu fix for our tens.
Where can i find the race manual? thanks!!
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posted December 26, 2006 06:40 PM
Y2K, Kawasaki sells a programmable ECU. Pricy but you would love it. Go to Kawasaki .com, it is there somewhere.
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posted December 29, 2006 10:19 AM
Thanks Ted. He looked at that option but he just bought a house and doesnt think he will be doing anything any time soon to the 10r.
It needs more compression for that cam, as well as more advance on the intake cam and a tad more retard on the exhaust cam. He went by the Kawi race manual and wasnt happy with the result. Maybe I can talk him into "fixing" it this year. Its pretty bad when a stock 06 gsxr walks by him in any gear at any rpm. Not a happy camper.
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posted December 30, 2006 07:19 AM
Y2K...How can a KHI Race Manual be obtained?
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posted January 01, 2007 03:28 PM
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Y2K...How can a KHI Race Manual be obtained?
It was posted on the net.. It's more of an instruction booklet about the way kawasaki intends for the race kit parts to be installed. And a little advise about a few other things along the way.
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posted January 07, 2007 04:43 PM
Yea, my buddy emailed it to me. But cant find it now.
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