Duc748
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posted March 21, 2006 02:17 PM
Thinking of buying an 06 ZX-10R
Hi All,
I am new to this forum and in fact in the 12 years I have been riding I have never browsed any motorcycle forum. This is a great site especially since I am very interested in buying a new 2006 ZX-10R.
I have been riding a Ducati 748 ('98 model) for 7 years....and well ...as much as I have enjoyed it...I have high miles on it...and well frankly I have had it with the ownership issues related to these motorcycles (ie. waiting for parts, paying twice as much for everything etc etc). I need a new fast bike that is reliable...so....on to my question :
Is the torque in the low to mid-range (say up to 8K rpm) going to be lower, the same or better with the ZX-10R ?
The HP of the Duc is only 108...but since I am a street rider I don't ride that often in the upper range...
I was also considering an 06 R1...but something tells me I will like the ZX-10R more.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated...
Duc748 (Phil)
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2OLD2BFAST
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posted March 21, 2006 03:51 PM
If my 04 is any indication (and the 06 is probably stronger down low), there is enough torque in a 10R that by the time you get to anywhere near 8,000rpm (actually, 6,000rpm will do), the front tire will be off the deck, the back tire stepping out sideways, or a combination of both depending on how much lean angle you are at and how aggressively you exit your turns...
Your Duc is probably super cool, but these things are UNBELIEVABLE fun!!!
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SVtoZX
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posted March 21, 2006 10:39 PM
'Spose that depends on where you live, too... up here at 5,000ft above sea level, most bikes lose their low/mid-range punch.
I've just jumped ship from V-twins (Both SV's... first a 650 nekkid, then a breathed on 1K faired), and I can honestly say you might be dissapointed by the sub-50mph performance of a 10R. While it's true that anything past 6K gets a bit bonkers on this bike (even up here), that's still over 50mph. If you've been living in twin land for that long, this takes some getting used to. It has ample torque.. just not the mind-bending delivery that twins do from tick-over. The motor revs fairly quickly, though, so this can be partially over looked. I think the 'mid-range' (let's say 5-9k rpm) is just about right for stock gearing... you really get a good progressive sense of the insanity that is about to transpire in the very near future.
Of course it's less noticable closer to sea level, and it's nothing that a simple gearing change won't fix either. The 10R's legs are soooo long... a few teeth up in the back would certainly make things interesting at lower speeds. A little gearing would bring that nice clean mid-range down to a more street-friendly mph, and make the low end almost invisible. Cheap fix, really, if you don't mind a little speedo inaccuracy.
Hope that helps any
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Duc748
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posted March 22, 2006 04:41 AM
Hey thanks 2OLD and SV...your comments and feedback are very helpful.
It's funny because before the Duc I used to ride a '95 Gixxer 750 and have been trying to remember the feel of a 4. 7 years on a twin and I can barely remember. I do remember that switching to a twin felt very very weird for a little while.
Toronto is about 250ft above sea level..and where I ride may go up to 500...so the low/mid range loss may not be noticed at all.
It sounds like the 10R is a very fun bike, and as you suggested SV a couple teeth and some gearing could change things alot. No issues with speedo accuracy...I have been using a larger sprocket for years.
thanks again for the feedback !
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brobin01
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posted March 22, 2006 05:13 AM
I've owned a couple of 02R1, a 99R1, a 04GSXR750, a 00ZX9R, 98CBR900, and so on ... I can tell you that this 06ZX10R will destroy any one of them hands down with out trying ! Now it is a little flat right off idle just like the New GSXR1000, CBR1000, and R1. They all make more power than most riders (and im over 40 so Ive seen and hear all of the bull a thousand times) can ever tap into. No VTwin can touch them unless you have an expert rider pushing them. I'm faster on my new ZX10R without trying .... it stupid fast and so smooth it like silk. If your looking for pure Grunt from 2000 to 4000 then the 02 - 03 R1 destroys any of the new liter bikes. However, you get over 4000 and ALL of these new liter bikes wheelie on power then destroy the 20-03 R1 .... I know ... I live in South Florida and this is what I do day in and day out.
I hope that helps ... its based on experience from running, owning, and riding with and on them all.
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dime bag
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posted March 23, 2006 04:24 PM
the zx10rs i think are the rulers right now and have been since 2004
i have a 04zx10r with a pipe and a pc3, its fast but needs a sprocket
fix asap. The bike is off the wall tho. I take mine out the hole by holding in the clutch
from a stop then while holding the clutch, i give it 1500 rpms then i slowly release the clutch then drop the clutch and take off. The R1s are the pretty bikes tho but not on dyno. If you want the best superbike the ZX10RS are the best.
Take care folks and always ride on the left lanes on the street
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longy00000
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posted March 24, 2006 05:28 AM
Interesting commments about low down the range.
I dont understand though?
Why on earth is anyone even thinking about a ZX10 if they ride below 50mph or tend to stay at sub 6000 revs.
Now lets get clear i am NOT crtisising that type of riding i am questioning WHY you would want let alone need something like a 1 litre superbike?
A litre superbike is designed to go fast...thats it...nothing else just fast..stupid fast.
If that appeqals then you wont be below 6000rpm when out and about so what happens at 1500rpm is of complete immaterial in terms of grunt available.
At nearly 40 i rode up through the ranks as it where only ever moving onwards and upwards in terms of power etc when i found myself riding on the throttle stop of my current bike. At this point i would start to look for a more rewarding machine with more power.
If i didnt want to ride around at a zillion rpm i would absolutely NOT be wanting all the crappy discomfort and high insurance / running costs of this type of bike.
So like i said...still confused.
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