K10R
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posted February 13, 2006 06:49 AM
Power Commander
Is it worth putting a power commander on a bone stock bike? Also if I was going to get a PC3 would it be better to get it with the ignition module and a TRE all at once? I don't do any track days, just some hard riding on country roads and open highways, so is any of this worth bothering with at all? Sometimes I wonder if its worth doing any real performance mods on my bike since I hardly ever utilize all the power the bike came with stock. What do you guys think?
ps. I may be wrong but aren't most mods for top end an high-mid power. Whats good for low to mid power?
  
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bovinespongiformencephalo
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posted February 13, 2006 07:35 AM
Power commander is good for mid range and low end power per my tuner.
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rvfbill
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posted February 13, 2006 12:54 PM
PC3 will also help fuel economy and clean up any midrange dips meven on std bike.
Do it, you Know you want to!
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glen073
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posted October 06, 2006 12:43 AM
I put a pwr com 3 on my standard zx10, i had a yoshi put on at 3000k's it ran and sounded awesome, i was told to try the pwr com cause it was lacking in pwr after my 6000k's service, so i had the pwr com 3 and k&n filter fitted, it ran worse even after i had it on the dyno, only got an extra 2hp,its your money but i'd spend it elsewhere
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GUNNER
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posted October 06, 2006 07:21 AM
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I put a pwr com 3 on my standard zx10, i had a yoshi put on at 3000k's it ran and sounded awesome, i was told to try the pwr com cause it was lacking in pwr after my 6000k's service, so i had the pwr com 3 and k&n filter fitted, it ran worse even after i had it on the dyno, only got an extra 2hp,its your money but i'd spend it elsewhere
KEEP in mind that if you're tuner is a fuck up than your tune up will match his skills  FOOD for thought 
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salsa1
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posted October 06, 2006 10:06 AM
Powercommander works.. I picked up 10 hp on top alone.....better drivability as well...
Heck a powercommander is almost as good as synthetic oil over conventional oil.... 
A good tuner is an obvious must.. hard to believe only 2 hp gain in junction with a good aftermarket pipe....I would seek out another dyno tuner..good luck..
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philmy3rdleg
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posted October 06, 2006 10:07 AM
LOL Nice!!
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GUNNER
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posted October 06, 2006 10:22 AM
These dyno guys can either make you a great map or a half ass map.. My guy for instance writes a great fuel map BUT don't want to fuck with the ignition EVER!!!!!! WHY?? because at 300 bucks he charges it cuts into his HUGE profit margin.. YEA I said HUGE!! With the tuning link he has writing a map is only slowed down from the heat build up and his need for letting the motor cool between pulls.. ON a cool day he can write a map damn fast. NOW ask him to screw with the ignition box and he starts a huge line of how that's NOT wise.. When what he really should say is either I don't know shit about that or HEY man that will cut into my profits. Either way like everything else in the world it's money driven and governed by knowledge or the lack of.
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zx1kr
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posted October 06, 2006 04:15 PM
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I put a pwr com 3 on my standard zx10, i had a yoshi put on at 3000k's it ran and sounded awesome, i was told to try the pwr com cause it was lacking in pwr after my 6000k's service, so i had the pwr com 3 and k&n filter fitted, it ran worse even after i had it on the dyno, only got an extra 2hp,its your money but i'd spend it elsewhere
Your dyno tuner is obviously smoking crack!!
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zx1kr
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posted October 06, 2006 04:31 PM
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These dyno guys can either make you a great map or a half ass map.. My guy for instance writes a great fuel map BUT don't want to fuck with the ignition EVER!!!!!! WHY?? because at 300 bucks he charges it cuts into his HUGE profit margin.. YEA I said HUGE!! With the tuning link he has writing a map is only slowed down from the heat build up and his need for letting the motor cool between pulls.. ON a cool day he can write a map damn fast. NOW ask him to screw with the ignition box and he starts a huge line of how that's NOT wise.. When what he really should say is either I don't know shit about that or HEY man that will cut into my profits. Either way like everything else in the world it's money driven and governed by knowledge or the lack of.
Yo, Slow down there! I'm a Dyno tuner & a damn good one at that. Who was talkin about an ignition. He has a PC3 & theres no adjusting your Ign. thru that. I just had a customer come in w/ a ZX10 & he had the PC3 & the Ignition Module. I didn't charge him MORE because I had to tune w/ the PC & the I.M. I did it cuz that's part of the dyno tune when applicable.I look forward to getting the most out of my customers' bikes.
As far as HUGE profits. My Dyno set-up cost over 50,000.00 to get it right. It takes up a 1/5 of my shop space ya 20%. So every month when I cut the rent check, 20% is for the floor that the dyno sits on. That's just a few of the things that bite into my HUGE PROFIT!
You apparently do not own or run a business or you would know what it takes to keep one afloat. The moral of the story is. Don't lump all of us Dyno guys together to be judged. Some are good & some bad, that is just the way it is with everything. It seems to me you've gotten screwed by one of the bad ones. But, I aint the one!
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GUNNER
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posted October 06, 2006 05:35 PM
DUDE! I said MY dyno guy...My guy writes great fuel maps BUT HATES fucking with an ignition module... Am I pleased about that HELL NO because I know the factory leaves power on the table there that can be had.....
Was I surprised that he could make a map in NO TIME at all with the tuning link? HELL YES! Is it worth 300 bucks for a couple of hours work that consist of sitting on your bike and letting DynoJet tuning link do the work?? Looks like a good deal for him to me.. When you figure 4 or 5 bikes a day that's 1200 to 1500 a day all thru the season. How many months will it take that dyno to pay for itself? So yea it's pretty damn good money...
Am I bitching?.......................NOT really I'll gladly pay 300 bucks for a full service, but I think that should include the ignition module as well... IF he had a tuning link for that I'm sure it would....
It seems we agree since you did tune the ignition for the same price. NOW would him spending time with my ignition module cut into his profits?? YOU BET So what do you think is the real reason he don't want to fuck with it?? Pussy and Greenies make the world go round..
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zx1kr
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posted October 06, 2006 06:39 PM
Well, you gotta find a new dyno guy! Yes, I misread your post & took it as a shot at Dyno tuners in general. I apologize for that. But, in defense of the Dyno tuners that do give their 100% to get your bikes runnin great I felt a need to respond. Just for the record, your pay a monthly fee for the Tuning Link service, & for arguments sake I want to meet the guy that owns a shop that dyno's 20 to 30 bikes a week. Yo, that must be one hell of a shop!
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GUNNER
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posted October 06, 2006 07:26 PM
 Edited By: GUNNER on 6 Oct 2006 20:28
Shit man you can't get in there even NOW! I was going this week because of the weather. I want to tune at as near 70 degree as possible. He wants to book you at least two weeks out. I can't predict the weather that far so it makes it very hard to do.. I'm in business for myself and I do know that it's NOT all profit by any means. That's why I don't really mind the 300 buck price.. BUT for guys that have ignition modules I think as it seems you do as well that the service should include that as well, OR at least don't insult people and tell them that nothing is there to be had.. We all know that the factory backs the timing up a few degrees to account for tolerence stacking..
It certainly wasn't an attack on you. You seem to have figured out the same thing Brock has.. Service sells.......................................Good for both you guys... The world could use a few more people that do a good job for the right reason.
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zx1kr
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posted October 07, 2006 08:43 PM
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Shit man you can't get in there even NOW! I was going this week because of the weather. I want to tune at as near 70 degree as possible. He wants to book you at least two weeks out. I can't predict the weather that far so it makes it very hard to do.. I'm in business for myself and I do know that it's NOT all profit by any means. That's why I don't really mind the 300 buck price.. BUT for guys that have ignition modules I think as it seems you do as well that the service should include that as well, OR at least don't insult people and tell them that nothing is there to be had.. We all know that the factory backs the timing up a few degrees to account for tolerence stacking..
It certainly wasn't an attack on you. You seem to have figured out the same thing Brock has.. Service sells.......................................Good for both you guys... The world could use a few more people that do a good job for the right reason.
What state are you in if you don't mind me askin? Also, like I said, I misread your original post & retract my defensive response.
Hell, I'm considered one of the better tuners in the area & if I had that many bikes looking for tunes that often I'd be living in the shop!
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GUNNER
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posted October 08, 2006 10:19 AM
Tennessee.........Deals GAP is my playground....
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zx1kr
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posted October 08, 2006 01:44 PM
Edited By: zx1kr on 8 Oct 2006 14:47
Damn, what is his shop on Deals Gap? I guess the difference w/ volume of tunes might have to do w/ the amount of Dyno shops in a small area up here.
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GUNNER
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posted October 08, 2006 02:16 PM
Edited By: GUNNER on 8 Oct 2006 15:18
No but he services about everyone within a several hundred mile area. AND don't get me wrong he does a good job and has always been fair with me. I'm just saying he won't fuck with the timing to say your life.
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zx1kr
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posted October 08, 2006 04:24 PM
That's too bad. Though, I'll tell you. We went +2 on advance thru out the range & that's all she wrote. More advance got us less power.
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glen073
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posted October 10, 2006 07:33 AM
im hearing ya slick, try my luck elsewhere with another dyno, cheers for the advice, hey aint nothin wrong with crack, as long as it tastes like chicken
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rockazona
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posted October 11, 2006 02:03 PM
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Power commander is good for mid range and low end power per my tuner.
I'll second this.
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