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posted February 09, 2006 10:17 AM
 Edited By: k bryant on 9 Feb 2006 22:36
Area P Prototype "A" peak..
One of many. We have 4 different designs currently in R&D. High Mount Vertical (pictured), High Mount Horizontal, Belly Pan, Full System. The advantage of the initial prototype being mounted vertically, is primarily tire clearance with our size muffler shell.
Initial dyno testing shows from 3 - 6 hp gain through-out the curve, with plus 1-2 ft lb tq. Largest gains are from mid-range to peak. This design is what we call a "Half System". It bolts on at the head pipes and removes the cats. Testing continues on overall lengths, diameters, merges.
   
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posted February 09, 2006 10:30 AM
BELLYPAN PLEASE!
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posted February 09, 2006 11:11 AM
Looks good Kerry. Keep us updated and thanks for the pics.
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posted February 09, 2006 12:42 PM
Awesome! I knew somebody was gonna eliminate the cat and bolt to the headpipe with a slipon after looking at mine. Please keep us posted, Thanks.
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posted February 09, 2006 12:43 PM
i'm curious.. what is the advantage of removing the cats?
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posted February 09, 2006 12:49 PM
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....it doesn't make it run like a dog....sorry...I couldn't resist 
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posted February 09, 2006 02:07 PM
Jonathan - I haven't run one (besides the stock baseline) including the cats with an aftermarket muffler. Essentially, we wanted to design a "merge" collector for optimum flow. So in that regard, we got rid of the cats. Also, heat & weight. The cats get extremely hot and weigh 3.3 lbs. It is "assumed" that it "flows" better without the cats. But it also has to do with the advantage of the merge collector (diameter, length, flow transition) when combined with the overall goal of your system design.
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posted February 09, 2006 03:53 PM
I get the bellypan idea (and really think that's the one I would jump on), and the high vertical as pictured is a HUGE step ahead of stock... but what would a high horizontal configuration look like?
I'm a little lost on that one. Can anyone describe a system that would be out there in that type of configuration for a reference?
Just wondering...
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posted February 09, 2006 04:20 PM
Very nice.
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posted February 09, 2006 04:25 PM
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posted February 09, 2006 06:06 PM
looks good kerry......i am still waiting for the rest of the 04 system..... 
I want to see an 06 in person...I may just have to upgrade......it will have to be a lot better handling and a lot faster to justify the upgrade.....
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posted February 09, 2006 07:28 PM
quote:
I get the bellypan idea (and really think that's the one I would jump on), and the high vertical as pictured is a HUGE step ahead of stock... but what would a high horizontal configuration look like?
I'm a little lost on that one. Can anyone describe a system that would be out there in that type of configuration for a reference?
Just wondering...
High Horizontal would be like the Two Brothers Slip-On. They simply turn the muffler "sideways". For me, it just looks wrong and comes too close to the tire under compression (with my muffler which is a larger ellipse than the 2Bros).
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posted February 09, 2006 09:29 PM
Kerry, what did your '06 baseline stock??
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posted February 09, 2006 10:33 PM
154 and change. We are now close to 160.
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posted February 10, 2006 01:06 AM
Hi Kerry,
According the theory, belly pan should give the most hp because of the less friction and resistance from longer pipes and corners. and less weight what do you think?
actualy I am interested with belly pan and I was gonna do it myself because I thought noone would make it. Since I am an amateur, have no time and do not want to make myself crazy dealing with it, it is a very good news for me that you work on a belly pan.
My question is: will you make belly pan like a muffler or will it be only pipes which I consider will be very loud. and if you make the belly pan do you require to cutting or grinding from the bodywork and I think for the belly pan you can not use your standart oval pipe ?
too many questions from a curious man huh, please give me a short reply if you find time from intense testing.
good luck by the way in your research high mount vertical looks good too
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posted February 10, 2006 07:44 AM
Thanks, not I get the high horizontal thing... If I'm correct in picturing it, your just twisting the can 90 degrees clockwise from the one shown above, but the rest of the system would remain the same I assume.
I'm sure you need the volume of the can your working with to get the power characteristics you want, but it seems like it would tuck up against the body and look great that way!Obviously turning it would cause you to do a turned down tip 90 degrees off from "normal" to make that happen, but you're the expert and you'll have to get comfortable with the tire clearance issue... I hope it works out! It would be that option 2nd for me behind the shorty idea as my first choice, but either way I'll try and hold off until you have something ready. And waiting is saying allot since I still think it's the most hideous looking stock pipe since the 05 Gixxer 1k!
Thanks for the insight and for the sneak peek!
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posted February 10, 2006 08:35 AM
Good stuff there - thanks for the peek.
So does this mean the 14 system will be the same type of arrangement (hopefully, please)?
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posted February 10, 2006 10:35 AM
quote:
Hi Kerry,
According the theory, belly pan should give the most hp because of the less friction and resistance from longer pipes and corners. and less weight what do you think?
actualy I am interested with belly pan and I was gonna do it myself because I thought noone would make it. Since I am an amateur, have no time and do not want to make myself crazy dealing with it, it is a very good news for me that you work on a belly pan.
My question is: will you make belly pan like a muffler or will it be only pipes which I consider will be very loud. and if you make the belly pan do you require to cutting or grinding from the bodywork and I think for the belly pan you can not use your standart oval pipe ?
too many questions from a curious man huh, please give me a short reply if you find time from intense testing.
good luck by the way in your research high mount vertical looks good too
It's all about "tuned length". It would be highly unlikely that a Belly Pan type exhaust would make more power (but until we test, that is just theory). You simply don't have enough length to make it properly work. The amount of bends is minor. Weight, it may be a pound of so, so not a huge diff. As we test, we'll see whatz up.
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posted February 10, 2006 10:36 AM
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Good stuff there - thanks for the peek.
So does this mean the 14 system will be the same type of arrangement (hopefully, please)?
As soon as I get my hands on one, we have many thoughts.....
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posted February 10, 2006 10:44 AM
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Thanks, not I get the high horizontal thing... If I'm correct in picturing it, your just twisting the can 90 degrees clockwise from the one shown above, but the rest of the system would remain the same I assume.
I'm sure you need the volume of the can your working with to get the power characteristics you want, but it seems like it would tuck up against the body and look great that way!Obviously turning it would cause you to do a turned down tip 90 degrees off from "normal" to make that happen, but you're the expert and you'll have to get comfortable with the tire clearance issue... I hope it works out! It would be that option 2nd for me behind the shorty idea as my first choice, but either way I'll try and hold off until you have something ready. And waiting is saying allot since I still think it's the most hideous looking stock pipe since the 05 Gixxer 1k!
Thanks for the insight and for the sneak peek!
Cool. I'm not a big fan of putting High Mount systems right on the body work. It doesn't get as much airflow to cool it, and the potential for heat damage to the bodywork/turn signal from heat and/or reversion of exhaust/soot is increased. That's why I always leave a little more space than some do. Also, there's just no logic from a performance standpoint to put it higher. You increase the length too much for good power (in many cases), along with putting the center of gravity up unnecessarily too high. Astecially, yes, they can look dope up high, but that's pretty much where the "benefit" would end.
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posted February 10, 2006 11:10 AM
great pics! any belly pan pics???
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posted February 10, 2006 02:37 PM
Not yet.
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posted February 10, 2006 05:47 PM
but we want them NOW! NOW! NOW!
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posted February 10, 2006 05:56 PM
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but we want them NOW! NOW! NOW!
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posted February 11, 2006 07:26 AM
Good work Kerry, keep us updated
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