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posted December 29, 2005 08:01 AM
MCN's comparo: K5 vs. '06 10
http://zx-10r.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15334&page=3&pp=10
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posted December 29, 2005 09:32 AM
 Edited By: trenace on 29 Dec 2005 10:19
Kind of a peculiar conclusion and emphasis they make of the Suzuki supposedly having so much more grunt and "real world drive" and power accessibility and so forth, when
the dynographs are pretty much identical from 4500 rpm on up, and quite close in say the 4200-4500 range as well. Almost perfect overlays except for the 'Zook having
a little dip in one spot where the Kawasaki beats it and the Kawasaki having a shallow dip in another spot where the 'Zook beats it, but basically identical area under the curve
from 4500 to 11,000, at which point the Kawasaki starts stomping Brand S.
Hmm, if I want the strongest performance from a supersports I'm not turning under 4500 rpm... I guess these guys are?
So that criticism seems pretty irrelevant unless you decide between supersports based on under-4200-rpm performance. In which case, the Suzuki is better. For those
spending the vast majority of their time when wanting maximal performance in the 4500 to 11,000 range, they appear equal in power... for those that take the range above 11,000
to advantage, the Kawasaki kicks ass up there. And so therefore should in actuality give a little better performance power-wise, if the dyno power correlates well to road power
(not always the case but there's no reason to assume Kawasaki did worse there than Suzuki.)
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posted December 29, 2005 10:02 AM
I'm guessing the 10R has significantly taller gearing (better fuel mileage, slower top gear roll on, less top speed) so a straightforward sprocket change would probably make the difference if you wanted to match the Suze like for like.
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posted December 29, 2005 10:10 AM
Here's the scans from MCN...
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posted December 29, 2005 03:04 PM
It doesn't really make sense how they think the gsxr has more power, but the kawi beat it by 2 tenths and 1 mph in the 1/4.
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posted December 29, 2005 03:57 PM
Edited By: trenace on 29 Dec 2005 15:58
Well, British Moto-Journalists are unskilled in the quarter mile anyway, with much more ET and trap speed lost from lack of skill than from differences in the bikes.
One also has to wonder about why they would consider "top gear 40-100 mph acceleration" to be something particularly useful to report for a supersports bike.
Is acceleration from 40 mph in top gear really a factor you're going to use in deciding between such bikes? Might it not make sense to be in something shorter than 6th gear
if you want to accelerate from 40 mph?
Yeah, midrange performance is important, but for a supersports bike, that particular test is not a very useful one.
Or if you think it's useful, why not do better and break it down into increments with a chart, e.g. 40-50, 50-60, 60-70, 70-80, 80-90, 90-100, 100-120, 120-140, 140-160, 160-180,
all in top gear?
Then if the case is say Bike A is quicker 40-100 in top gear due to being quicker in the 40-60 range, but Bike B is quicker 70-80, 80-90, and 90-100 in top gear (as well as everything
faster than that too) the reader could decide for himself which factor was more important.
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posted December 29, 2005 06:37 PM
Glad I have my 05 
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posted December 30, 2005 08:25 AM
mee tooooooooooooo. Who wants a pig ugly bike that sounds to me as if its lost a bit of its character
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posted December 30, 2005 08:57 AM
Yea it seems that the first test didn't go to well for Kawasaki. It's funny as hell because some of the guys over at other sites are day that these testers are fools and don't have a clue.... I wonder if they would have still said that had the test said Kawasaki was best? I'll bet not...
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posted December 30, 2005 09:35 AM
To be honest the GSXR1000K5 is one hell of a bike but so is the ZX10R 04 AND 05, they look good sound good, they are raw and seriously good fun. Now Kawasaki have made the 06 ZX10R look like a VFR800 sports tourer and ok it may be a bit quicker and maybe a bit more user friendly and all that shite........ I have several mates who have GSXR1000KS's and my 10 will out perform them from a standing start and a roll on. It all depends who gets on the gas first and split second gear changes.................................Give me the OLD ZX10R anyday.
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posted December 30, 2005 09:40 AM
It's funny as hell because some of the guys HERE think that these tester's are the gospel, Rossi, Hayden & Mladin doing the test. It seems that some of you that own the 04-05 version are actually rooting against the new version. I think when the dust clears you'll be disappointed.
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posted December 30, 2005 09:52 AM
I'm not rooting against the new version whatsoever as I was and possibly am contemplating buying one........ It's just that the 06 model would have to be a whole lot better than my 05 bike and from what I've seen and heard that is'nt the case at all. I agree that people do read a lot into the magazines its called hype and thats what sells magazines. zxhoya why do you think we will be disapponted when the dust settles?
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posted December 30, 2005 09:53 AM
Edited By: zxhoya on 30 Dec 2005 09:55
If it's just looks I'll agree with you, but you can not criticize the bike from an engineering stand point even when it's matched against the competition. As for the raw edge of the 04-05,
apparently it's still there. To quote one of the testers: "But if I were pushed into buying one or the other, it would have to be the Suzuki because it's the least intimidating of the two and I would definitely go quicker on it".
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posted December 30, 2005 09:59 AM
Edited By: zxhoya on 30 Dec 2005 10:01
I think when the dust settles the new version will be a whole lot better. The 04-05 is a great bike and to me the best looking bike on the market. I just think the 06 is a large step forward for Kaw. (aside for the looks). Maybe it's just me rooting for Kawasaki.
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posted December 30, 2005 10:06 AM
You could be right. Time will tell I suppose...... I was hoping also that the new Kwak would obliterate the competition and have the looks to kill for,maybe with a nice pair of aftermarket pipes and a few mods it could also look the business
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posted December 30, 2005 10:44 AM
Edited By: Gunner on 30 Dec 2005 14:13
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It's funny as hell because some of the guys HERE think that these tester's are the gospel, Rossi, Hayden & Mladin doing the test. It seems that some of you that own the 04-05 version are actually rooting against the new version. I think when the dust clears you'll be disappointed.
NOT rooting against...........I've owned at least 20 Kawasaki motorcycles in my life time . In fact I spent SOOO much time at the Kawasaki shop that I even married the secretary back in 83. Actually had keys to the shop at one time back then. I'm very brand loyal to Kawasaki. I own 5 Kawasakis now in fact. BUT! They have always done this shit as far back as I can remember. Starting with the 1969 500 triple, The 1972 750 triple, The 1973 Z1, and on and on.. They start out fast and get gradually DENUTTED!!!!!! Big fat heavy flywheels or cranks will fuck up the works everytime. It's all in the name of a smoother more controllable power curve, but at the expense of raw edged power everytime.... History seems to be repeating itself again in 06
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posted December 30, 2005 02:02 PM
I am glad I have my Black 04 ZX-10R; It's for street use and this review just favors the Suzuki too much. Yeah I am aware of the relative thing ....so far Home is not ahead with the 06 model comparisn. It will redeem itsel if test show at that competent riders do better on the 10R stock. I would not doubt it can with the factory steering damper. . But my world is street..
I can still apreciate and capatilize good enough on raw....I like my 04 ..was expecting better review for the 06; but the 1000cc sport bike game is still early for 06 . will see ... will be interesting.
No matter the outcome I won't sell my 04 for whatever...kinda dissapointed so far....
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posted December 30, 2005 02:11 PM
I really like the front end on the 06 and if it will directly bolt up to my 05 it will be there as soon as the part numbers are released.
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posted December 30, 2005 06:37 PM
pipe and pc will probably get you close to 170 at the rear.......
this thing is gonna rip............ i'm in.
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posted December 30, 2005 07:34 PM
Well after reading the article, I came to the conclusion that it is the same old shit. They complain that the bike is not a hard core track bike in one issue and then complain that it is not civilized enough in another. With the usual Suzuki bias.
Me, I like a bike that is twitchy and has a power hit like god just punted me into the next state. Don't need or want a steering damper, that front wheel dancing around, tells me one thing ... GAS IT STUPID AND SMILE. I want a bike that is hard edged and requires you to become one with the bike. Anyway I am a point and shoot kinda guy and like to use the rear wheel to help point and a hard hitting power curve is a riot.
Those twin cans will make the exhaust breathe better and may account for a bit more peak power.
I also don't give a rats ass about 40 to 100 in top gear. That is first gear work.
So far, I will keep my 05, I haven't heard anything to sell me on the 06. But I had to pick from the 06s I would take the Kwak, It may be ugly but looks better than the Suzuki. and I am betting it handles better and has better cornering clearances than the Spudzuki.
Gunner, I agree about what you say about Kwaks being neutered. I too went through the the H1, H2, detunes. Worked in Kawasaki shops in the late sixties and seventies.
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posted December 30, 2005 08:00 PM
Moot point
As much as some of us (myself included) are disappointed that the 06 ZX10R hasn't made the same kind of splash as the bike did back in 04, there's no denying these journalists their opinion. Even if there was some kind of bias operative, I would think that the K5 would have to be pretty darn close to the Kawi in order to justify their stance. That said, I think it's really all a moot point in comparing the K5 and 10R. I'm anything but a Honda fan, but this year's CBR1000RR looks to have more than the goods to take on both the Zuk and Kaw. My bet is that when the dust settles, we'll be looking at the CBR1000 as the new liter class king.
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posted December 31, 2005 12:05 AM
Well, Thanks Ted.........I love my Kawasaki and always will. I don't mind fixing the things that I don't like. What I love about kawasaki is the fact that they have always given me a great starting point. Suzuki also gives a great platform to begin with. As much as I hate the looks the Busa is hands down the best platform EVER for a turbo bike. The motor and the chasis layout are hard to beat. I don't own one though I have a ZX12 for that sector. I have a ZX10 for the liter class. I LOVE MY KAWASAKIs even though I can't help but wonder sometime what in the HELL the factory is thinking with some of these refinements as they put it. Just like Ted I like my bike twitchy and on the edge. I've never been on any other bike that feels more alive that a ZX10 under power. It's like a nervous whore on CRACK!
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posted December 31, 2005 06:13 PM
To me the 10 is so damn easy to ride. That twitchy feeling allows me to put the bike exactly where I want it. It never scares me, even when I overheated the tires and they turned to grease, the thing allowed me to control some really hairy slides. I also love 2 strokes, that on/off power band is easy for me to deal with.
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