trenace
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posted January 02, 2006 06:57 PM
Oh, it's up 5 hp at the crank (therefore more like 4 hp at the rear wheel) and down 3 kg (about 6 and a half pounds)... doesn't sound like it's making up the gap with 2005's in either department, so how can it be predicted it's going to blow away its 2006 competitors?
My prediction is no. Another year of being the least-performing (in very strong company) of the four Japanese literbikes.
  
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pmkin10r
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posted January 03, 2006 10:50 AM
I believe 2007 will be Honda's breakout year. There is the rumor of ram-air technology being applied to the pig CBR.
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zx12adam
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posted January 03, 2006 04:32 PM
I know it's winter and some people are getting tunnel vision but c'mon. We're missing the big picture here. Going fast and having fun.
Brand loyalty aside, Honda shaved twiced the amount of actual wet weight off the CBR600RR than they had ever advertised. I think the 06 CBR1000RR will be pretty close to all the other literbikes for 06 as far as spec sheets are concerned.
As far as ram-air it already has it and has had it since 04, go figure(incoming air over the fender, under the nose, between the forks is rammed straight into the airbox). As matter of fact AMA Superbike rules state they must run stock airboxes for 04, guess who had some of the highest top speeds at Daytona? The CBR's. So I think the stock airbox is efficient enough for a 200mph Superbike and a streetbike yes?
And enough of the spec sheet bench racing chest beating already, before looking at any spec sheet, go outside and look at your tires(that's everybody). Unless they're all buggered-up from one edge to the other all this talk about hp, weight, ram-air, etc. is irrelevent all together. And if you have chicken strips then...
...my god who gives a shit what bike you ride or it's spec sheet cause it won't save you until you improve what's in the pilot's helmet!
Now if you all don't mind I'm gonna take my spec sheet out for a ride. Peace.
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pmkin10r
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posted January 03, 2006 06:32 PM
Sorry, don't mean to be a hater. Just frustrating that you have a company that could / should produce a class leading machine having it's products pussified by corporate conservatism / pacifism. Take the shackles off your engineers Honda.
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trenace
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posted January 03, 2006 09:50 PM
 Edited By: trenace on 3 Jan 2006 21:51
No one (or I should think virtually no one) disputes that Honda COULD produce a total kick-ass ulta-bad-bitch machine.
However, most or nearly all those familiar with things are aware that Honda prefers to tone it down and has no problem corporately with being toned down to the mildest of the Big Four. It's just been their way for a hell of a long time -- they haven't had a baddest-of-'em-all bike like the CBX since, well, the CBX. And even it really they neutered -- it's just the basic concept was so stunning that even neutered it was badass for its day.
Honda, in terms of their street bikes not the race bikes, is just a small-balls company. Fine appliances to be sure, and yes not neutered so much that a better rider won't be faster on it, but still certainly neutered compared to what any of the other Big Three would have tweaked the same basic bike to.
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zx12adam
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posted January 18, 2006 10:32 AM
Edited By: zx12adam on 18 Jan 2006 10:50
The ZX10R prolly gained around 20 lbs for 06...
http://bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=19&TID=21190&set_time=
... CBR1000RR prolly lost around 20 lbs for 06.
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2006/Jan/060113a-1000rre.htm
Interesting, all the 06 literbikes might end up weighing 440 to 450lbs. Let the hairsplitting begin.
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trenace
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posted January 18, 2006 10:53 AM
One or a couple of the British mags have track-tested the '06 Blade -- they considered it nicely improved. So we'll see.
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posted January 18, 2006 11:30 AM
For years Honda has been content to abuse their sycophantic, cultish loyalists with second rate crap. It would be refreshing to see Honda enter the literbike (or 600) field with a contender.
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trenace
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posted January 18, 2006 11:49 AM
Edited By: trenace on 18 Jan 2006 11:50
It would.
Just because my personal feeling over the years is that the Honda way is to deball and water down, that doesn't mean I prefer for that to continue to be the trend. The bigger the advances any manufacturer makes, the more the whole field will step up in response and also from learning what it was that worked so well... it's always to our good for better bikes to be put out including from the "competition."
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