guzmanx-zx10r
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posted August 26, 2005 08:00 PM
the 2006 zx10r or is it
check it out http://smartexpert.free.fr/photos/10r2006.htm
   
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trenace
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posted August 26, 2005 08:06 PM
 Edited By: trenace on 26 Aug 2005 21:20
BINGO, I believe you're first with the pics!
That looks real to me. (The studio lighting can easily fool into thinking fake because it can make the paint look fake, but the rest of the bike looks way beyond ordinary photochopping.) If not, that is one HELL of a talented artist. I don't believe so though. Definitely appears real to me. Pretty awesome looking too even though I do not like underseat pipes all else being equal.
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matt sterbator
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posted August 26, 2005 08:25 PM
That's obviously a photoshop.
Not enough travel in the rear suspension before it puts the tire into those hideous cans.
After no steering damper stock, Kawi is gonna give you an Ohlins on the '06 ?
I think it'd be safe to say that the exhaust arrangement adds a pretty hefty amount of weight.
Headlights, riiiiiight, someone really liked the Muzzy Raptor, lol.
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trenace
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posted August 26, 2005 09:17 PM
Edited By: trenace on 26 Aug 2005 22:37
"Obvious," eh? Well I must be quite stupid then! Perhaps you can enlighten us all as to why these clearly are photochops?
Your claim that the wheel would hit the cans is terribly flawed, just hopeless. Look closer.
Can you substantiate your claim, show some real basis, not an obviously-wrong argument such as that one?
Anyhow either you or I will be proven wrong quite shortly. In your case, since you claimed it is "obvious," you will be more wrong than I, as I did not claim obviousness, and being wrong about something obvious is a pretty sorry thing.
Still claim it's "obvious" that they're chops, keeping in mind how soon you'll be proven wrong if you are?
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redelk
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posted August 26, 2005 10:07 PM
Edited By: redelk on 26 Aug 2005 23:12
The exhaust makes me sad. I had hoped for a "belly" exhaust or maybe a little "shorty" exhaust ala the new R6. Not one, but TWO cans? I can understand the exhaust flow dynamics of having two, but....  I would hate to imagine what the cost of even slip ons would be. $1,000? $1,200? Everything else is nice and all, especially the Ohlins damper, but the exhaust is enough of a factor that I would not consider buying one.
Oh, and please tell me that is NOT a unchanged tach and non-radial front mc, I see there. If that is the case, I would have been happier if they had just given it BNG and said it was "new and improved".
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trenace
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posted August 26, 2005 11:09 PM
Well, there's nothing (except maybe needing a little fairing cut) to prevent an aftermarket pipe maker from making a conventional pipe for this... except that from the psychological angle, they might well feel, and perhaps correctly so, that too many customers would demand that since their bike came with underseat, the replacement has to be underseat else they won't buy it
So perhaps that psychology would prevent it or at least cut the number of makers doing it way down...
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CanyonCarver
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posted August 27, 2005 04:41 AM
Exhaust looks like they borrowed it from a Suzuki V-Strom. Maybe there is some truth to the tired rumour of sharing btwn Suz and Kaw for the sportbikes. :barf:
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blueford
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posted August 27, 2005 05:09 AM
Me likey, I might have to paint that heat shield thingy black that bothers me, I might have to add 2 inches to the wheelbase with a spacer in the frame right behind the engine, that's no problem.
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lizard
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posted August 27, 2005 06:02 AM
Cool . Can we get black again? PLEASE!
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kz2zx
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posted August 27, 2005 07:05 AM
I've been thinking about this. I think it's photochop.
The front intake is a ZX-6R's, and I don't think K would lose the distinctive 10R intake "reverse notch".
I think the cans in the picture are larger by far than they need to be for a dual setup. I don't think the exhaust pipes would be exposed the way they are.
I agree about the Ohlins comment, too. And if we DID get a damper, I think it'd be under the air intake in front of the steering stem...
The tail section looks more like the ZX-6R's did this year, but it may be a trend for better aero's, so that's iffy.
I think whoever did this stretched the heelguards on the pegframes (rearsets) to hide the shock location. I also think the engine bay detail was darkened on purpose. And where did the hugger go?
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blueford
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posted August 27, 2005 07:25 AM
It can't be a photochop, there are no gaps in the visual logic whatsoever, almost impossible to do, unless you are Industrial Light and Magic with a one million dollar check.
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matt sterbator
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posted August 27, 2005 11:16 AM
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"Obvious," eh? Well I must be quite stupid then! Perhaps you can enlighten us all as to why these clearly are photochops?
I already did.
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Your claim that the wheel would hit the cans is terribly flawed, just hopeless. Look closer.
I already did. If I rode that bike, the tire would hit the cans. Why would they add a second canister and more weight to the bike ? Why would they have the cans hanging out in the wind, completely opposite of the 6R's can being tucked way up into the undertail ?
The whole thing looks like a bastard love child from a 10R, 6R, R1 and GSX-R.
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Can you substantiate your claim, show some real basis, not an obviously-wrong argument such as that one?
Seems pretty funny coming from someone posting pics they found on the internet and claiming they're real. 
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Anyhow either you or I will be proven wrong quite shortly. In your case, since you claimed it is "obvious," you will be more wrong than I, as I did not claim obviousness, and being wrong about something obvious is a pretty sorry thing.
Just in case.
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Still claim it's "obvious" that they're chops, keeping in mind how soon you'll be proven wrong if you are?
again.
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trenace
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posted August 27, 2005 11:53 AM
Edited By: trenace on 27 Aug 2005 13:06
OK, "Matt Sterbator," we'll know in a few weeks!
Contrary to your above claims, I did not say that I "know," whereas you're stating your claims as facts. Time will tell, very shortly.
BTW, since you're so sure of yourself and have such a big mouth regarding your certainty that these pics are fake, care to put your money where your mouth is? I'll give you 2:1. How 'bout you pay $100 if you lose (the real 2006 10R looks so close to that there's nothing to point to to say clearly fake pics) and I pay $200 if I lose (there is enough different about the actual 2006 bike to make clear these are fake pics).
Up for it, or are you just noise?
You can change the amounts if you want -- my only concern on the amount is that I have no way of knowing that you're good for paying up for a large sum (no offense intended or really there, as that's just inherent to the Internet and one has not met nor have significant info on), so that inherently limits how far I'd be willing to go.
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matt sterbator
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posted August 27, 2005 12:52 PM
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OK, "Matt Sterbator," we'll know in a few weeks!
Apparently so
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Contrary to your above claims, I did not say that I "know," whereas you're stating your claims as facts. Time will tell, very shortly.
Quote one line where I stated ANYTHING as a fact, and not my opinion.
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BTW, since you're so sure of yourself and have such a big mouth regarding your certainty that these pics are fake, care to put your money where your mouth is? I'll give you 2:1. How 'bout you pay $100 if you lose (the real 2006 10R looks so close to that there's nothing to point to to say clearly fake pics) and I pay $200 if I lose (there is enough different about the actual 2006 bike to make clear these are fake pics).
Seems to me tha you're the only one with a big enough mouth to be certain these pics are REAL. I'm still not too sure why you're so butt hurt because I think they're fake.
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Up for it, or are you just noise?
You found these pics where again ? Oh that's right, linked from someone elses personal webpage with no official connection to Kawasaki what-so-ever. It is not I who is the fool here.
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You can change the amounts if you want -- my only concern on the amount is that I have no way of knowing that you're good for paying up for a large sum (no offense intended or really there, as that's just inherent to the Internet and one has not met nor have significant info on), so that inherently limits how far I'd be willing to go.
I guess you'll just have to have bragging rights over someone on the internet then.
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trenace
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posted August 27, 2005 01:53 PM
Edited By: trenace on 27 Aug 2005 15:01
Your wording is couched as fact, rather flat statements.
Of course your statements are not facts, just poor guesses such as thinking that the wheel would hit those cans.
As long as you're aware that you are not stating fact just opinion.
Anyhow, I guess you're just noise... making a lot of noise how it's a fact that these are fake, it's fact that the wheels would hit the cans, but when it comes to backing it up you're nowhere to be seen, your claims mean nothing even to you. About as expected.
An important ability is to be able to distinguish what one knows from what one guesses, and to be able to make reasonable probability estimates where uncertain. I discussed this pics in a rational manner, you came in with loud assertions, stating as if fact that they are photochops, calling others fools, claiming facts such as the wheel would hit the cans, etc.
This pretty much is in line with your previous posts that I've seen.
Actually, I don't remember... in a previous thread that was deleted, did I already decide that you're an individual that it's a total waste of time attempting to have a discussion with and therefore informed you that I would not be doing so any further, or did I only contemplate that?
If I did state that, I can certainly now see why, and if so it's unfortunate that I did not recall for certain, else I would not have wasted my time but merely given you the ignoring that would have been more merited. You probably do remember however, so was that the case?
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kz2zx
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posted August 27, 2005 04:19 PM
Attn Kawasaki:
I don't like undertail exhausts. Write that down.
I've already opined on the versimilatude of the pics above. Instead, I hope to hell we have an underbelly exhaust with an outlet on the right side.
But I know, I validated the marketeer's decisions to build an undertail by buying a 636. Just please, Akashi, don't make it look like that Honda 919 abortion for a rear.
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matt sterbator
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posted August 27, 2005 04:41 PM
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Your wording is couched as fact, rather flat statements.
Yes, it is a fact I think those photos are products of photoshop.
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your statements are not facts, just poor guesses such as thinking that the wheel would hit those cans.
Seeing as how no one has ridden the bike, it's your guess that they wouldn't.
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as you're aware that you are not stating fact just opinion.
Yup, as much opinion as yours.
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Anyhow, I guess you're just noise... making a lot of noise how it's a fact that these are fake, it's fact that the wheels would hit the cans, but when it comes to backing it up you're nowhere to be seen, your claims mean nothing even to you. About as expected.
I can back up my opinions as much as you can back up yours without an official release from Kawasaki. You're putting too much weight on photos found off a link that SOMEONE ELSE posted to another persons personal website.
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An important ability is to be able to distinguish what one knows from what one guesses, and to be able to make reasonable probability estimates where uncertain. I discussed this pics in a rational manner, you came in with loud assertions, stating as if fact that they are photochops, calling others fools, claiming facts such as the wheel would hit the cans, etc.
Seems my proclamation that these are chopped pictures is what reaffirmed your decision that these pics must be real. I just can't see how someone so well spoken can possibly come to this conclusion otherwise.
I'll ignore the rest of your drivel much, unless you want to keep insisting I bring up the lengthy book you wrote in the smackhouse whining and crying about the admin of another site deleting your posts... oh wait, it was deleted here too.
If you choose to keep this up, fine. I think the pics are fake, you don't. Seeing as how these aren't in an official release from Kawasaki, it's all speculation anyway. Ramble on.
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trenace
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posted August 27, 2005 07:21 PM
OK, I've had the chance to see where you're coming from. There are people with whom it's impossible to have a rational discussion, people who can't understand words as written or refuse to do so, people who post stuff that is simply crap, as is just about every single sentence you've written in all the above posts. Once I realize this, I don't waste time with such people. Answering them is an absolutely useless thing to do. If I did not come to that conclusion previously, I certainly have now.
Outstanding if, as stated above, you intend to ignore me as well. But if not, then post whatever crap you will, but you will get no reply. You've had ample opportunity to show me who you are -- I'm hardly being hasty.
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Hitman12
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posted August 27, 2005 10:09 PM
My my my...............I can't say if it's photoshop or not, but I do some things that make me believe it's a real picture. I use Photoshop everyday, and any artist that vreated this if it is, is one helluva an artist and has WAY to much free time............................
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gunner
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posted August 28, 2005 08:32 AM
Matt........I do believe you have been called out in the street. I would say it's put up or shut up time. If you're so sure of yourself Trenace is offering 200 bucks for you. Come on out and get it. Are YA CHICKEN???????? IF ya can't make the ante just put your head down and walk away from the table 
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Hitman12
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posted August 28, 2005 09:07 AM
Now that the secrets out the bag, that is the real thing...............................
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kz2zx
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posted August 28, 2005 09:10 AM
Where'd you see the secret out of the bag (and say it ain't so!)?
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Hitman12
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posted August 28, 2005 09:16 AM
I can't say until mid Sept..................................sorry but a VERY creditable source told me so, was quite upset!
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B_green
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posted August 28, 2005 11:43 AM
another 06 concept...
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ikezixxer
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posted August 28, 2005 12:35 PM
The guy who keeps arguing that the first pics are probably real is an idiot. The fat twin undertails would be an idiotic thing for kawa to do. I don't have time to explain anything but all I can say is if you got that off a personal website and you actually think the bike is anything like it, then your an idiot. Take the 2:1 bet, you will win $200 (whoever was arguing that the pic was fake is right). The bottom pic is much more likely to be real, although that is also a fake/concept. the bike will have a changed exhaust, likely undertail, but might be similar to the botoom pic. the last pic, the one right above my post is also a photochopped exhaust...that exhaust isn't real. Let's just wait a while and find out what it really will look like. I think it will e similar to the 04 and 05 exhaust for an exhaust change and possible tail blinker change. Eiter way the 04 & 05 look better than BOTH these concept pics, or pretty much any pic I have seen on the web about the 06 zx10r.
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