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extremelean


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posted August 09, 2005 11:32 AM        
Kawasaki's new racetrack

take a look for yourself----->>>> http://www.khi.co.jp/ba/2005data/ba0503-03.html

and here is a picture------>>>>



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posted August 09, 2005 11:35 AM        
I wanna ride it.......lol
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posted August 09, 2005 11:56 AM        
wow
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posted August 09, 2005 11:59 AM        
very bloody nice! i'm no racer myself, ut that looks like a damn technical & challenging track. talk about tight harpins! what's the elevation tho?
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posted August 09, 2005 12:19 PM        
I need to sample it.
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posted August 09, 2005 12:25 PM        
where do I send my resume?
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posted August 09, 2005 12:43 PM        
I want one.


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posted August 09, 2005 01:36 PM        
Looks to me like Kwak is getting serious about motorcycles. They are such a big company and motorcycles are a very small part of it, one would think that it wasn't worth it to them. But with their re-entry into MotoGP and now this........
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posted August 09, 2005 02:41 PM        
They shoulda got it for a song -

Autopolis International Racing Course
Kamit-sue-mura
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Oita
Japan

Tel: (81) 973 261111
Fax: (81) 973 261113

Track Length: 2.904 miles

Built in 1992 with no expense spared in order to attract Grand Prix racing in the mountainous region of Kyushu, the southern Japanese island. It is located 19 miles north-east of Kumamoto and 50 miles south-east of Fukuoka. The track made the provisional F1 calendar, but then went bankrupt. It is now used for Japanese national championships.

It's a great track, but it's on top of a high plain, at about 2500 feet. Not denver, but not exactly atlanta either.


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posted August 09, 2005 02:43 PM        
Madness in Japan
Position is everything. If you're a first-time housebuyer and you fall head over heels in love with a house, just stop for a minute. Take a deep breath and have a look around you. I know it's boring and sensible but in the excitement of first love one can buy a house and regret it later - at leisure.

I only wish that I had been around to mention this conundrum the day Mr. Hajime Tanaka decided to build his own racing circuit up a mountain in the middle of nowhere in south-west Japan. Sane people don't buy isolated mountains and turn them into an international racing circuits. Do they? There was Mr. Tsurumaki, who built Nippon Autopolis, but then he went to Estoril one year and left $250,000 under his bed in the hotel room and was surprised when someone stole it so he clearly wasn't firing on all mental cylinders.

All right, so they did the same at Bathurst and the Nurburgring, but that's not the point. That was a very different era and there were specific reasons for those spectacular follies.

But Mr. Tanaka's only reason for building a race track was that he wanted to and - being the owner of several Japanese golf courses, which apparently are so successful that it is like printing your own money - he had lots of money to make his dream a reality. If it had been me I would bought the place - it's a pretty spot - and built a large country estate with helicopter access only and I'd have lived up there like Dr. No.

The trouble is that Mr. Tanaka-san is a petrolhead. He likes fast cars so much that he even bought three old Tyrrell F1 cars. You might argue that these do not qualify as being fast cars, but for Mr. Tanaka they were quick enough.

Mr. Tanaka's problem was that you cannot just drive a Tyrrell up your local High Street - unless of course your name is Bob Jennings of the Adelaide Advertiser and you are doing it as a promotional stunt for the Australian GP - as happened last November.

And so Tanaka-san thought: "Strike me pink with a brick, I'll build my own circuit". And he bought himself the mountain near Okayama and sent in the bulldozers.

You have to say that despite his madness Tanaka-san had some good ideas. Being a golf course type he decided to translate a few golfing ideas to motor racing, just as, many years ago, motor racing stole ideas from horse racing (where else did the terms "Paddock" and "Stewards" come from?). Tanaka-san built a plush club house and a membership scheme. It was very successful. Hordes of Japanese gentlemen sent their supercars off to the TI garages and, when they have a moment, they flit the 500 miles from Tokyo to Okayama and take their cars out to play on the circuit. Afterwards, they have a quick Suntory whisky and a chat with the chaps in the club house and then they dash off to the circuit hotel for a snooze.

Mr. Tanaka soon had 350 members, all of them paying AUS$200,000 for life membership. Sharpen your pencils and work it out and you will find that Mr. Tanaka has raised AUS$70 million from membership fees alone.

He also sold one of his golf courses to fund the construction, but that doesn't matter because he's just building a new golf course somewhere else. All in all it cost him AUS$200 million.

This is pretty crazy, but where Mr. Tanaka really went off the rails was when he decided he wanted to hold a Grand Prix. Bernie Ecclestone - who is always very helpful to hugely rich people - told him that anything was possible at the right price which, if you ask Melbourne, is standard Ecclestone advice.

Tanaka came up with the dosh and Hey Presto! Bernie made his dream came true. The F1 circus set sail for Okayama with a resounding cry of "Where?"

To be honest I think Mr. Tanaka and the Okayama authorities did everything they possibly could to make the Pacific Grand Prix a success. You need to sit down just thinking about the logistics of transferring 55,000 people on 994 buses on one road up and down a mountain. I doubt it could have been better organized by anal-retentive Germans.

I take my hat off to Mr. Tanaka, but I still think he has made a mistake. He spoke of choosing the site because of the population distribution of Japan but that doesn't work because to be in the optimum location for Japan's top three cities (Tokyo, Osaka and Nagoya) you have to build the track at Suzuka. And you cannot because there is already one there and every year it attracts 100,000 screaming fans for the Japanese Grand Prix.

So why we asked were these fanatical fans not willing to travel to Tanaka and watch their heroes in action? I can think of only two possible conclusions: that the tickets were too expensive or that the difficulty in getting to the track and the lack of hotels scared people away.

I suspect the reason there were so few people at Tanaka is a combination of both those factors and, no matter, which way you look at it, Tanaka International is in the wrong place.

But we cannot take it away from Tanaka and his team, the first race was a fine effort and most of the visiting internationals were impressed - despite the complaints about travelling for hours every day on buses. Private cars were extremely restricted.

The question now is whether we are going to do it all over again. If we do the people of Okayama - who were so friendly and helpful - will have to invest a load more money to build new hotels and better access roads. There is bound to be opposition because justifying construction, if it is only going to be used once a year, is very difficult.

Maybe now Tanaka-san will stun us all by hanging the whole thing helicoptered somewhere else. I cannot help but think that he would have been far better off buying and upgrading the Mr. Fuji Speedway - which has struggled for money in recent years.

But then again, it's not my money.

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posted August 09, 2005 03:49 PM        
You would think that with all that room and $$$ they would have made a DragStrip there somewhere!!!...I guess they dont want to make a DragStrip friendly ZX 12 or something for DragRacing!!!

Thanks for nothing Kawasaki
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posted August 09, 2005 04:21 PM        Edited By: trenace on 9 Aug 2005 18:08
There are places there where a quarter mile can be run.

Also I expect that Kawasaki has had places to run the 1/4 mile prior to this as well.

So I would not myself make the above readings into future models being poor at the quarter mile due to their acquisition of this track.

Back to the track itself: apparently it's 2.9 miles, so an entirely serious track (as also can be told from the above pic):

http://www.racingcircuits.net/Japan/Autopolis.html

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posted August 09, 2005 05:21 PM        
http://www.racingcircuits.net/Japan/Autopolis.html

assist

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extremelean


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posted August 09, 2005 05:22 PM        
http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport/tracks/autopoli.html


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posted August 09, 2005 05:29 PM        
swft, can i ask where that article comes from? a pretty interesting writeup.
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posted August 09, 2005 05:30 PM        
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You would think that with all that room and $$$ they would have made a DragStrip there somewhere!!!...I guess they dont want to make a DragStrip friendly ZX 12 or something for DragRacing!!!

Thanks for nothing Kawasaki


Like Doug said before, Drag Racing isn't even a line item on the corp. expense ledger.

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posted August 09, 2005 05:36 PM        
Thank you for the assist (as well as the original post) extremelean!

Obviously this track was an expensive acquisition... but swft's article gives indication that the cost was probably REALLY big, seeing as how it cost about $150 million to build (converting Australian dollars to American dollars.) While the track may well have been sold at a loss, even 10 cents on the dollar is still a lot of bucks when talking those kinds of dollars... and who's to say it was only 10 cents on the dollar?

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posted August 20, 2005 07:37 AM        
So maybe ROK will offer track day packages, where you fly over and rent a bike for a weekend?
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posted August 25, 2005 08:58 PM        
Why build a drag strip when that's only one aspect of motorcycling?

They have to build bikes that go, stop, turn, accelerate, and are durable - not really drag racing territory, you know. Fast quarter mile results are just a bonus.

How many drag racing bikes really make good street machines? But good road racers don't necessarily make bad street weapons. Notice most sport bikes these days are fashioned after road racers. If they were fashioned after drag racers they'd have a long frame with a wide car tire on back. Not conducive to actually turning the bike, you know.

Why the hell am I actually responding to that? Dizam. I must be bored.

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posted August 27, 2005 08:52 AM        
I would take a shot at it.
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