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posted June 19, 2005 05:35 PM
Isn't is amazing that I can say the same thing as EL and get ignored.
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posted June 19, 2005 06:09 PM
I wasnt ignoring or dismissing anything that anyone has told me. I appreciate everyones input, just cant respond to what everyone says.
I swapped out the wheel with a buddy and that didnt make a difference, so I am guessing that its not warped rotors. The looked good on the runout indicator as well. Looking at the Motul RBF600 brake fluid, and a set of Braking CM55 compound pads right now.....I wanted to step up to the CM66, but they are double the price, adn I dont see doing it. Cause later I plan on adding a set of Braking rotors as well and galfer lines.
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posted June 19, 2005 08:07 PM
Brake feel is a very personal thing. Unless there is a blaring problem, it's really hard to critique another rider's point of view on what "feels" right or not. Some use one or two fingers, some use their whole hand. The "feel" needs to be adjusted for your preferance. Whether that be a different master cylinder, -2 or -3 lines, different compound pads, etc. So the only thing that matters is how it feels to you; period. Then of course how much you want to spend and/or do about it....
Don't skimp on the pads. Buy what feels best to you and go hungry for a week....  . With the number of laps you did, I'm not surprised that they faded that badly where you felt you needed to pull off. After all, your on a racetrack in race mode; not out on a tour to Sturgis...
Mine are a little soft, but nothing I can't live with. But I was surprised at first and went through all the brake bleeding process to firm it up. Nothing got better and I simply just got used to it. It is amplified on the track though and I simply adjust for the difference. Since I seem to only be able to go 5 or 6 laps at true speed, they work fine for those short stints. But I do agree that after some hard laps they do start to fade. In fairness though, mine are box stock. So in that regard, they really work great. Next track day, I'll probably try some s.s. lines and soft pads.
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posted June 19, 2005 08:17 PM
HDL.. have you considered the possibility simply that you are gay? I mean... dont ask, dont tell and all 
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posted June 19, 2005 09:04 PM
HDL and KB, did you run without the pad shims? That might explain the fade. I had fade issues on a cool day when I tried running without them. Put them back on the brakes are stellar even in hot conditions on the track. No fucking feel, but they are always there.
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posted June 20, 2005 01:35 AM
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You know fish I thought about that once when you were tossing my salad in Indy, but I dismissed it to the fact that you are a rectal rooting, salad tossing, dingleberry eating, flaming faggot, and left it at that......lmfao
Bovine I tried it with and without the shims and it made no difference that I could tell.....
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posted June 20, 2005 07:05 AM
bend over, soldier!
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posted June 20, 2005 07:18 AM
Can you two turd burglars take your personal life off line?
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posted June 20, 2005 07:22 AM
jealous?
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posted June 20, 2005 07:37 AM
Sheesh, is that a proposition? I suspect you'll have better luck in the drag zone.
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posted June 20, 2005 10:46 AM
hey Bovine spit the shit out before you open yo0ur mouth, makes you easier to understand.....and keeps you from talking shit......
And I am not bending over so you can lick my asshole Fishy.......I am not into that, I think you need to give Bovine a call, seems you to turd burglers have something in common.....lmbo
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posted June 20, 2005 07:14 PM
Got to put about 200 miles on the new Brembo/Gafler set up last Saturday. Report upcoming.
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posted June 20, 2005 07:43 PM
I put the 19x20 and braided lines on mine and the lever is hard as a rock an I had ZERO fade at Thunderhill and at Spring Mountain (Pahrump). Never broke 2:00 at T-hill (first time there) but I did break into the 1:43's at Pahrump.
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posted June 21, 2005 01:42 AM
cool ASherm, I eagarly await your report.....thanks for the info Bovine
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posted June 21, 2005 06:35 AM
I had no issues before the gear went on. It was just to add a margin of safety and performance at the track. I've yet to use more than one finger to haul it down. As good as the stock system is on my bike, a set of Braketech Axis iron rotors is going on if I decide to finish the chassis on this thing for track duty. The feel with those rotors and a set of sintered pads is indescribably delicious.
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posted June 21, 2005 07:04 AM
I hear ya Bovine, thats why I am looking at the Braking Wave rotors to replace the stockers, but at a later date. I should get the brake pads, fluid, exhaust, exhaust hanger, and heel clickers in the next day or 2.
Then the lines next month, looking at Galfer Superbike lines, I like the fittings on those, and the lines have and ID of .28 as opposed to the normal .2 inches. So they should move more fluid. and give a nice feel. Not sure yet though if I am going to use those or the regular galfer lines.
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posted June 21, 2005 07:44 AM
During my "adventures" of my install, I got to speak to the folks at Gafler (they actually called me). Though some places advertise the SBK lines as having a ID of 2.8mm, according to Gafler, the ID of the SBK lines are 2.7mm. "normal" braided lines are 3mm (aka "-3" or "dash 3"). Almost no one uses or even makes 2mm (aka "-2" or "dash 2") lines anymore.
I'm in the middle of a job that requires me to be away fom the office, but indeed, I will submit my report as soon as possible. Hopefully, I get to it this evening.
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posted June 21, 2005 08:51 AM
bovine - shims are still in, they're completely stock. But you describe it perfectly: there's no feel when they get hot, but they are still there.
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posted June 21, 2005 04:31 PM
My lever comes to the bar now after day of spirited riding.
I'm going to put some ss lines on it and and hope for the best.
I just ride the 10 on the street though.
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posted June 21, 2005 07:54 PM
The Braketech Axis iron rotors are so burly you can run sintered pads on them and avoid that pig-butt nasty organic pad bed-in roulette. Braking wave rotors are for posers. No shit.
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posted June 22, 2005 01:32 AM
Was on the racetrack last saturday, and saw a number of people running the Braking rotors all of who raved about them. The biggest complaint I heard was they throw alot of brake dust when on the track. I can deal with brake dust.....thats why they make soap and water......this comming from guys that are FARRRRR faster than I am around the track......
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posted June 22, 2005 06:29 AM
That ain't sayin much. Muahahahahaha! Just kidding. Suit yourself. Top race teams avoid them. I wonder why.
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posted June 22, 2005 07:38 AM
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wow I wish I was as connected as you are so I could know what all the top teams were using. You are the man....all hail Bovine, knower of all things great and small........we are not worthy, we are not worthy........
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posted June 22, 2005 08:31 AM
Actually.... some un-named factory teams tested the Braking rotors as well. Nothing major to complain about, but I'm not sure if they were "off-the-shelf" items either.
Braking Rotors are run by huge numbers in Motocross and get really good reviews. Obviously not much correlation between moto & rr, but an endorsement none the less.
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posted June 22, 2005 10:07 PM
600's use wave rotors. Literbikes no. Well, a few nosepickers at the back, but in general, no. You want more brake performance, I have spent more on brakes in just the last few years than most people have invested in their entire bike. A lot of that money was wasted on gimmicky poser shit like wave rotors. You can do better. If you want I'll regurgitate adspeak like redwings. I thought the facts would be enough. I will try one last time to get you to see the light. Then you can go fuck yourself. The coefficient of friction is what makes you stop. Iron has a higher coefficient than stainless. The problem is that not all iron is created equal, and most iron rotors can't handle a sintered (metal) pad. Too soft. Soft is good for friction, bad for longevity. So you need an organic (carbon, etc) pad. Organic pads on soft iron rotors work great, but bedding them in is a serious challenge. Very, very easy to get it wrong and develop high spots. The resulting chatter is just fucking nasty. Enter Braketech and hard (ductile) iron rotors. Same great iron friction in a rotor that can handle damn near any pad you can throw at it. So now you get the friction advantages of an iron rotor and the stupid simple bed-in of a sintered pad. Your comments indicate you place an emphasis on "feel." Sintered pads on iron rotors will give you a semi every time you grab the brakes. It's an effortless, progressive, powerful combination that has to be felt to be believed. A sensuously smooth grinding sensation that washes over every fiber of your being. The only thing between you and a deeper brake marker is the contents of your scrotum.
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