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posted July 08, 2005 02:10 AM
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posted July 08, 2005 04:11 AM
That's a ZZR not a ZX12 replacement, nothing to worry about.
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posted September 12, 2005 09:35 PM
 Edited By: beansbaxter on 12 Sep 2005 22:36
I thought this thread was started so people could help fuel the new and upcoming model line of motorcycles. Yet I dont understand why some threads are being closed just for doing that - posting up motorcycles that they find on the Internet. It is not like they are doing anything wrong.
Just my two cents.
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posted September 12, 2005 09:43 PM
Yeah I'm not too happy that they ask for photos... and then lock the thread when the
first pics are posted...
Come on MODS... you either want them or you don't.... make up your minds...
This is my first and only beef with this site so far... 
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posted September 12, 2005 09:47 PM
Edited By: trenace on 12 Sep 2005 22:51
Well, perhaps experience will teach... the first go-around of authoritatively saying that the 10R pics were wrong, the 10R article was bogus, Kawasaki had released no information, when in fact the information was dead on and absolutely real obviously didn't do it. At least one editor is for the ZZR pics doing the same thing again and saying flat out as "absolute" that it's "false rumours" and so much so as to require closing the thread, etc.
So when they get their press release and, uh, just as with the 10R their press release has got the same pics, perhaps the opinion of being the sole source, that if they do not have it it cannot be and "absolutely" is not true, will revise?
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posted September 13, 2005 02:24 AM
Edited By: fish_antlers on 13 Sep 2005 17:28
I'm confused... I NEVER said that the photos of the 10R from MCN were "wrong". The ONLY thing I ever said about the 10R and it's existance was this single statement. In fact I said it TWICE and quoted myself:
Kawasaki has not yet released any info about the 06 ZX-10R. When they do members of this site will be the first to receive it. Quite literall[y the second it is made available.
Now... With regards to the ZZR... The statements made with regards to that have been:
You're all barking up the wrong tree.
I can say no more
So... people on this site had better learn to READ. It's all spelled out for each and every one of you. I know that everyone is excited about what they THINK is going to happen. When it's time everyone here will be the first to know.
And with regards to this thread.. . shit.. the only person to post a spyshot that turned out to be accurate (now you'll have to READ again.... rules clearly state to post them in the Sportbikezone) was ME.. posting fotos of the ER6n.... Trenace keeps posting them in the SmackHouse and I have to mirror them into the friggin SportbikeZone.. so that hardly counts.
Get it together people...
And here's another tip... if you're looking for OPINION look for the word "moderator" as the title... if your looking for some info look for the word "administrator" as the title... you'll notice we're pretty tight lipped around here about that stuff...
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posted September 13, 2005 03:20 AM
And the legacy of Ollie the Great continues................ 
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posted September 13, 2005 04:33 AM
Fish is right...he did clearly state that all entries into this attempt to decipher next years model lineup need to be put in the sportbike zone. I did a search and I came up with the following 3 entries I submitted (the things I do for a free shirt haha):
2006 big bore model pics - entry #1
Bikeland Offers Bounty on 2006 - Entry #2 - Kawasaki!!
New for 2006...get some Triumph!! - Entry #3
Hey Fish...did you beat me on the photos for the ER6N? My second entry was that bike posted on June 30, 2005 02:22 PM...just curious?
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posted September 13, 2005 09:38 AM
beans... just need to confirm from the model lineups that those are accurate photos... the ER6N was posted by you after the release date though, so it would be a spyshot...
just need to do some followups on the fotos... kinda busy dealing wit all da boys in da 12r section who are waitin to see what happens...
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posted September 13, 2005 10:36 AM
Some moderators know secrets too....
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posted September 13, 2005 10:43 AM
damn straight! chances are you know more than any of us, ya secret-keeping bastid!
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posted September 13, 2005 02:32 PM
Edited By: trenace on 13 Sep 2005 15:36
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I'm confused... I NEVER said that the photos of the 10R from MCN were "wrong". The ONLY thing I ever said about the 10R and it's existance was this single statement. In fact I said it TWICE and quoted myself:
Kawasaki has not yet released any info about the 06 ZX-10R. When they do members of this site will be the first to receive it. Quite literall[y the second it is made available.
Yes, and that was a wrong statement, as stated. Perhaps you merely misworded it, you intended to say, "Kawasaki has not yet officially released any information to North America" but that is not what you said. As stated you were incorrect.
What's moreso, even after it being pointed out that absolutely clearly information had been released to the UK -- I even posted it -- you compounded it with:
quote:
Here... I'll quote myself so you can read what I said again... I'll even say it again in bold type to help you absorb the data...
Kawasaki has not yet released any info about the 06 ZX-10R. When they do members of this site will be the first to receive it. Quite literall[y the second it is made available.
Not only wrong, but condescending with the "I'll even say it again in bold type to help you absorb the data," and condescendingly wrong, as most certainly information on this bike became available to others first by means other than through what Bikeland officially released.
I'm not knocking your contacts. I am saying though, and I just can't believe that you're still denying, that it was wrong to claim that no information had been released by that point in time, when in fact it had, simply not to you yet or perhaps also not to other North American sources.
Right now I'm unable to find your other post giving a broader explanation of your confidentiality agreements and so forth. It was an excellent post and lent a lot of understanding. However, it's hard to believe that a confidentiality agreement requires denials when members post accurate information, or requires assertions that Kawasaki had no released information when in fact they had to other sources, or requires locking threads, etc. One would think it requires only not speaking given things, not acting as an active denier of true statements.
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posted September 13, 2005 02:49 PM
Edited By: fish_antlers on 13 Sep 2005 15:56
I cant really debate this any further. Even though you may see it another way, I was not wrong in saying that Kawasaki had " not yet released any info about the 06 ZX-10R".
Stating, as you would have, that they had not yet "officially" released any information would be therefore acknowledging the existence of said information, and therefore put this website in legal jeopardy as we would then be in contravention of a signed agreement.
Sorry Trenace, but anyway you try to split it, we shared as much information as we were able to.
The topic you are looking for is located here:
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=1&TID=19040&set_time=1126651412
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posted September 13, 2005 02:49 PM
PLEASE take the time to understand what we have stated several times before:
the thread was locked to combat thread skimming and to make sure people saw bikeland's reply to that issue. it was NOT meant to shut people up, as you can see by us not locking the new thread that started on the same subject, and the lack of editing or deleting posts. there was and is nothing nefarious going on.
quote:
Yes, and that was a wrong statement, as stated. Perhaps you merely misworded it, you intended to say, "Kawasaki has not yet officially released any information to North America" but that is not what you said. As stated you were incorrect.
actually this statement was correct, tho it leaves plenty of room for incorrect interpretation. kawasaki had NOT publicly released any information yet, and the release date/time was global (based on GMT). see the thread u mentioned on confidentiality etc. note that bikeland never said the initial 10R pic was not real.
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posted September 13, 2005 03:00 PM
I am shocked that the members of this site are having a difficult time understanding the legal tight-rope we are having to walk in delivering this information to you.
The fact that it remains a debate is even stranger.
Since we're the one's who will end up in the "How come? Room" if things go sideways, perhaps people could simply back off and let us deal with things as we see fit. We are doing as much as we feel comfortable with...
We can really do no more.
Now... if someone can validate the 06' bike pix as being "spyshots" (read: not one's from the OEM)... then I can give out some prizes.
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posted September 13, 2005 03:15 PM
Edited By: trenace on 13 Sep 2005 16:16
FrEEK, if Kawasaki had released no information, then there is no explanation for the detailed MCN article other than skilled psychics or downright thieves stealing studio pics from Kawasak's desk drawers.
Why not just accept that Kawasaki released some information that hadn't gotten to you yet but did get to the British press? Not doing so appears to be denying reality.
Fish, wow, now I am really confused.
First, if we post pics and they ARE from the manufacturer, they don't count. And most likely it will be insisted, even though they obviously have to be (e.g. the MCN article) apparently mods or editors will deny that they are from Kawasaki, see frEEK's post above where pretty clearly he is denying that MCN had pics from Kawasaki, or your post where you flat stated that no information had been released.
But, if we were to post pics that are NOT from the manufacturer, then they get disparaged no end.
What a no win situation.
You seem to be saying the members are putting you in a hard situation by posting pics found elswhere on the web of information either that Kawasaki has released elsewhere in the world before the US, or of other origin.
So is there a rule against this, do you want it to stop? Should we just PM each other with it? I mean, that would be doable if you find it not right for advance info -- in advance of Bikeland editors receiving it or being authorized to release it -- to be posted by members.
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posted September 13, 2005 03:17 PM
Edited By: fish_antlers on 13 Sep 2005 16:19
You know what... I've said everything I can.. I cant really talk about this anymore. I'm sorry, but all I'd do is be repeating myself over and over. I'm sorry that you dont or cant understand.
My hands are tied.
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posted September 13, 2005 03:25 PM
Edited By: trenace on 13 Sep 2005 16:29
Well, anyhow, can't have it both ways... if the official position is that Kawasaki released no information as of the time of your post stating that, then the pics before that must be spyshots and must be eligible for the prize.
Or, if they are pics from Kawasaki, then the position that Kawasaki released no information prior to that has to be given up on.
I just don't understand, why not mellow out? It is hard to see why a confidentiality agreement requires anything but not spilling the beans yourself, as opposed to jumping in and saying that what members are finding elsewhere can't be right, that Kawasaki has released nothing, etc. Personally when I am bound by confidentiality I just keep a tight ship rather than go around denying things, whether denying the false (can't do that) or denying the true (shouldn't do that, for reasons other than the agreement.)
Personally I feel it's not as hard as you're feeling it is, or doesn't need to be anyway, but I could be wrong.
It would be helpful though if you answered whether you want us to desist from posting info we find, since it seems to be that you're saying that's putting you in a tight spot. If not, then I don't know what can be done to alleviate your tight spot, other than perhaps a re-evaluation of whether you need to be denying things (which seems to me the sole cause of the tight spot.)
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I cant really debate this any further. Even though you may see it another way, I was not wrong in saying that Kawasaki had " not yet released any info about the 06 ZX-10R".
Stating, as you would have, that they had not yet "officially" released any information would be therefore acknowledging the existence of said information, and therefore put this website in legal jeopardy as we would then be in contravention of a signed agreement.
That's why (IMO) the answer is not to jump in and announce things like "Kawasaki has released no information." There was no need to do so at all. Doing so only added confusion, and was not correct (unless subscribing to the theft theory for MCN's pics, which really is unnecessary.)
It would have been entirely possible to simply leave the members to their discussion on the 10R -- which was dead correct, time proved -- rather than jumping in and trying to discredit it. Just can't believe the agreement required that.
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posted September 13, 2005 03:28 PM
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It would be helpful though if you answered whether you want us to desist from posting info we find, since it seems to be that you're saying that's putting you in a tight spot. If not, then I don't know what can be done to alleviate your tight spot, other than perhaps a re-evaluation of whether you need to be denying things (which seems to me the sole cause of the tight spot.)
Absolutely not. Please continue.
And for the last time, we have not denied anything.
Sorry, perhaps a course in semantics is due.
dat all... eye'm outtie!
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posted September 13, 2005 03:30 PM
Edited By: trenace on 13 Sep 2005 16:33
Thanks Fish!! 
Have to disagree on the direction the "course in semantics" is required though... not sure that your saying you haven't denied anything, when you'd just denied Kawasaki had released anything, would get a good grade there 
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posted September 13, 2005 03:32 PM
Hi all - I don't post much, but I really enjoy this visiting this site - Lot's of good info here!
This may have been asked before and i missed it -
Why was a bounty offered on spyshots if there creditability could neither be confirmed or denied? Seems like anti-logic??
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posted September 13, 2005 03:38 PM
Bounty is offered, but cannot be awarded until model's can be confirmed to be valid. That's why we state at the beginning of the topic that winners will be determined after Intermot. When we can confirm the photos we'll kick out some prizes.
No anti-logic... yer just early... dat's all
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posted September 13, 2005 05:22 PM
Edited By: k bryant on 13 Sep 2005 18:22
Milan, not Intermot. I'll be there 2 days before the show "officially" opens, and working it all week. You'll get fresh "spy" photos of production bikes.
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posted September 13, 2005 05:29 PM
oops... my bad!
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posted September 14, 2005 01:45 AM
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Milan, not Intermot. I'll be there 2 days before the show "officially" opens, and working it all week. You'll get fresh "spy" photos of production bikes.
When is the show in Milan? I thought November?
Isn't the show in Paris first: 1-9 October?
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