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posted May 07, 2005 05:38 PM
Well I put 200 miles on today and it allowed me to make some more comparisons. I think it is more comfortable than the 12, yes my butt hurt but not as bad. I did run it up on a small straight and it seemed to hit the same speed more or less as the 12 would, but I was tentative with the throttle. To me the front wheel doesn't seem as light yet. Right now there is no was it is coming up in second. Although here is my first kill story. I was heading down business 395 and at a stop light is 2 Harleys. So when the light turns green I just take off normally and all I can hear is Harley, I look over and pus wad is going for it. He is hunched over and jamming gears. So far he is in 3rd or forth and I am still in first and just staying even with him and I am looking over at him and he must think I am surprised. I wait till I am close to the powerband and whack the throttle and pull a nice big wheelie and just rocketed away. They turned off before the next light. Well at least he thought he had a runner for a few seconds. Anyway the rest of the ride was uneventful other than finding that roads I knew but hadn't been on in almost a year were effortless. I can't wait till I can crank up the RPMs. I was able to explore the edges of the tires and surprisingly they stuck pretty well, but I was in a higher gear and really wasn't able to put the power to them. I love the close ratio box, downshifting with it is a pleasure. I am sure the slipper clutch is part of that. But that is one clunky gearbox, there is something strange going on in the 3rd to 4th shift that you can feel in the clutch lever. No biggie just weird. Seems to need gas at 155 miles and it took 3.5 gallons. Again I wish the front end were lighter and I am hoping it perks up.
So I have a question, does the 10 loosen up as much as the 12 did?
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posted May 07, 2005 05:49 PM
Oh yeah, I experienced headshake today in second gear. I love it, a steering damper would ruin a very cool property. Nothing says "gas it" like the front wheel skittering and dancing back and forth over the pavement.
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posted May 07, 2005 06:03 PM
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But that is one clunky gearbox, there is something strange going on in the 3rd to 4th shift that you can feel in the clutch lever.
That goes away...mine did that too... my engine and tranny had pronounced changes at 500, 1000, 1500 and 2000 miles... power keeps coming on stronger and stronger... tranny gets smoother and smoother...
dyno charts show more power at 5k miles than at 3k or 1k etc...
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posted May 07, 2005 07:41 PM
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But that is one clunky gearbox, there is something strange going on in the 3rd to 4th shift that you can feel in the clutch lever.
That goes away...mine did that too... my engine and tranny had pronounced changes at 500, 1000, 1500 and 2000 miles... power keeps coming on stronger and stronger... tranny gets smoother and smoother...
dyno charts show more power at 5k miles than at 3k or 1k etc...
That is exactly whati I needed to hear. So you think 300 miles is not enough to make a judgement on power? :nana
So you think there was a big difference in power between new and broken in?
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posted May 07, 2005 11:20 PM
Absolutely... I think I have said this before in much earlier posts (last season).. but I found it startling as to how different the bike felt at different levels of "break in" (far exceeding the mileage of the factory "break in period") .... you'll notice distinct changes in the bike and the engine... at 2000 miles it will feel nothing like it did at 300 (at least for me, and other people here)... It shocked me to realize just how tight the engine on this bike is (at point of shipping).
Seriously consider a pipe from AreaP, Muzzy, Orient or Jardine ... all of them support the site, and all of them make unique products for the 10R...
I'm about to raffle off the Muzzy Slip On we tested last year so you can try yer hand at that if ya want...
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posted May 08, 2005 05:31 PM
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Absolutely... I think I have said this before in much earlier posts (last season).. but I found it startling as to how different the bike felt at different levels of "break in" (far exceeding the mileage of the factory "break in period") .... you'll notice distinct changes in the bike and the engine... at 2000 miles it will feel nothing like it did at 300 (at least for me, and other people here)... It shocked me to realize just how tight the engine on this bike is (at point of shipping).
Seriously consider a pipe from AreaP, Muzzy, Orient or Jardine ... all of them support the site, and all of them make unique products for the 10R...
I'm about to raffle off the Muzzy Slip On we tested last year so you can try yer hand at that if ya want...
Fish, thanks for the suggestion about the pipe. but to be perfectly honest, nothing I despise more than noise. It is fatiguing, irritating, and not neighborly. Unless I see a dyno chart that shows a distinct improvement AND a sound test I will probably not buy one. Although after the beautiful titanium can of the 12, the 10 looks downright hokey. Also a pipe at this altitude doesn't help as much. The explosions aren't as strong, not as much exhaust gas to vent yada, yada, yada. Actually the 10 is on the verge of being too loud anyway. Although I love all the mechanical noise going on beneath the tank, something to do with the gearhead in me.
I am trying to get some miles on this thing, but the weather isn't being agreeable. so I am only up to 300. Hopefully I will be able to take it back and forth to work and that is good for break in and piling up miles. I do think some K&Ns or as set of Accel Kool Blues are in order.
I can't wait to get this thing broken in and really be able to dig deep into the power band.
But I may look into your raffle, just for laughs.
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posted May 08, 2005 06:55 PM
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If you want a quiet pipe with power then you need to talk to Kbryant and look at AreaP's slip ons..... BTW... in case you didnt know already.. almost pointless in adding a full system to the bike.. gain is negligible.
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posted May 08, 2005 09:49 PM
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If you want a quiet pipe with power then you need to talk to Kbryant and look at AreaP's slip ons..... BTW... in case you didnt know already.. almost pointless in adding a full system to the bike.. gain is negligible.
That is great news, that means the engineers did their job well. Does a slip on help? Does hacking off the cat help?
Fish, you have to understand I have not been keeping up with any news on any bike. The first info I had seen on the 10 is what I got from this site. So I have no idea what has been happening.
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posted May 09, 2005 07:52 AM
I'd rather wait for Rob Muzzy or Kbryant or someone else to answer the finer details of your questions, but in a nutshell the engineers did do their job.... removing the cat is pointless...
buying a slip on (not a bolt on) is worthwhile and you will see a gain of 5- 12 hp depending on the unit and if you choose to add a PowerCommander (which has vastly improved since the 12R as well)
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posted May 09, 2005 09:07 AM
Ted - you can visit our site (Area P) linked to the sponsers section or watch for the rotating banner on the top of the pages.
We make very quiet, or louder systems, depending on what the customer wants. We give you the option on muffler lengths and core diameters. We have a Titanium/Carbon Fiber Slip-On that makes power, is 3 lbs or so lighter than stock, and is within 1dbA of stock sound levels. It is really quiet. Visit our site for more info specifically on the 10. Bikeland members receive special pricing. Be sure to mention that if you decide to inquire on more information. 
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posted May 10, 2005 12:03 PM
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Ted - you can visit our site (Area P) linked to the sponsers section or watch for the rotating banner on the top of the pages.
We make very quiet, or louder systems, depending on what the customer wants. We give you the option on muffler lengths and core diameters. We have a Titanium/Carbon Fiber Slip-On that makes power, is 3 lbs or so lighter than stock, and is within 1dbA of stock sound levels. It is really quiet. Visit our site for more info specifically on the 10. Bikeland members receive special pricing. Be sure to mention that if you decide to inquire on more information.
Are the specs posted anywhere? What I saw had a large noise gain. I would like to see a proper dyno and sound chart if that is available.
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posted May 10, 2005 01:05 PM
Hmm...... Everything you ask and want to know is clearly on the site. A 1 or 2 dbA sound increase is by no means a "large noise gain". Most of our customers who purchase the standard Slip-On believe it sounds very close to stock; which it was specifically designed to do. The exhaust "tone" is different, but the actual decibal level is almost the same. You need a meter to tell the "increase" in sound. There is also a "proper dyno and sound chart" on the site. If you go to the exhaust section, scroll down to the 10 and it will show all the info you inquired about. Any other questions, please feel free to contact me personally.
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posted May 10, 2005 03:30 PM
Edited By: TedG on 10 May 2005 16:33
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Hmm...... Everything you ask and want to know is clearly on the site. A 1 or 2 dbA sound increase is by no means a "large noise gain". Most of our customers who purchase the standard Slip-On believe it sounds very close to stock; which it was specifically designed to do. The exhaust "tone" is different, but the actual decibal level is almost the same. You need a meter to tell the "increase" in sound. There is also a "proper dyno and sound chart" on the site. If you go to the exhaust section, scroll down to the 10 and it will show all the info you inquired about. Any other questions, please feel free to contact me personally.
Doh, i read the chart wrong, got it.
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posted May 10, 2005 06:13 PM
Ted... Take kbryant up on his offer.... not too often you get someone like him willing to make you a "one-off" or custom unit... Since you havent been here fer a while and you have some catching up to do... you can read this and find out a little bit about kbryant... http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=23&TID=15710
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posted May 10, 2005 07:58 PM
Hey TedG, really enjoy reading your post, it's as if i'm riding along with you.(lol)
as far as your Harley kill, it's redundent. I had a Harley kill on my Schwinn. (lol)
And that must be one badasssss watch? What kind of gas milage does it get?
Hopefully by this time next year i'll be joining you guys on the road. Keep us posted Ted.
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posted May 10, 2005 10:03 PM
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Hey TedG, really enjoy reading your post, it's as if i'm riding along with you.(lol)
as far as your Harley kill, it's redundent. I had a Harley kill on my Schwinn. (lol)
And that must be one badasssss watch? What kind of gas milage does it get?
Hopefully by this time next year i'll be joining you guys on the road. Keep us posted Ted.
The Harley kill was stupid, seriously I just took off from the light normally and I look over and he is going for it. I just stayed beside him, I really was taking it easy. But I just couldn't help myself the rocket ship wheelie had to be done. I just can't believe he was going for it. Maybe because the 10 looks so tiny.
I have been looking at Rolexs and they don't give them away. I have some Tags, and Omegas so it is time for a Rolex.
OK here at 4500 feet I went 155 miles mostly on windy roads and climbed a pretty good sized mountain and it took 3.5 gallons. This was taking it quite easy because I am breaking it in. So taking it easy you can get 44.2 mpg. Which will drop dramatically. The bad part is my usual loop is 175 miles and on the 12 I could do that without gassing up. Not anymore. Oh well.
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posted May 13, 2005 09:10 PM
Hi Ted,
Loong time no, 'see'.
I posted some hard numbers last year when I first started (1000+ miles) really giving the 10 hell on my favorite, 'short flat out' streatch.
The 10 was a full 10mph (gps) down on the 12. (162 vs. 172 same streatch w/12)
The 12, granted, had many mods to the 10 which was 100% stock.
!! However !!
That same run after 2500 miles was also giving 172 mph.
Last I went out there (3500 miles) 178 mph.
I bitched in my original post about the ridiculously optimistic speedo on the 10.
(using speedo healer now (recall feature is nice (though wheelspin makes limited usefull)))
Ultimatly, the weight is just too hard to miss for me.
The 12 is awseome and way lb-ft, but damn 100-130 lbs wet delta weight.
Perhaps kawi will give us a feather 12 next year.
I've had a deposit for v-5 honda for years now.
For now though, the 10 is the shit. Handles great, rips when greased.
I just (2 weeks ago) put the dry n20 from the 12 , on the 10.
(made bottle bracket to replace left passenger peg). Nice 'big' 2lb bottle.
That sure works.
P.S. - Just 'refresher' had 2000' (faster) Red 12 w/full Ackrapovic, purple Bear stacks,
Hey - Who remembers Ted G's contribution to the 'zx-12 stack' investigation???
Damn restrictor plate wanne be - dremmel needin so-and-so's.
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posted May 14, 2005 06:57 PM
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Hi Ted,
Loong time no, 'see'.
I posted some hard numbers last year when I first started (1000+ miles) really giving the 10 hell on my favorite, 'short flat out' streatch.
The 10 was a full 10mph (gps) down on the 12. (162 vs. 172 same streatch w/12)
The 12, granted, had many mods to the 10 which was 100% stock.
!! However !!
That same run after 2500 miles was also giving 172 mph.
Last I went out there (3500 miles) 178 mph.
I bitched in my original post about the ridiculously optimistic speedo on the 10.
(using speedo healer now (recall feature is nice (though wheelspin makes limited usefull)))
Ultimatly, the weight is just too hard to miss for me.
The 12 is awseome and way lb-ft, but damn 100-130 lbs wet delta weight.
Perhaps kawi will give us a feather 12 next year.
I've had a deposit for v-5 honda for years now.
For now though, the 10 is the shit. Handles great, rips when greased.
I just (2 weeks ago) put the dry n20 from the 12 , on the 10.
(made bottle bracket to replace left passenger peg). Nice 'big' 2lb bottle.
That sure works.
P.S. - Just 'refresher' had 2000' (faster) Red 12 w/full Ackrapovic, purple Bear stacks,
Hey - Who remembers Ted G's contribution to the 'zx-12 stack' investigation???
Damn restrictor plate wanne be - dremmel needin so-and-so's.
billet basket, etc..
Thanks for the welcome.
Well I went out on a 200 mile ride today on very twisty roads today and all I can say is this bike is nothing short of obscene. Absolutely effortless cornering and the power is starting to come to life, The front wheel is getting lighter now and is about the same as the 12 and that is only with 680 miles, I can't wait until it is broken in.
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posted May 15, 2005 07:42 AM
Ted... I think an "I told you so" is in order  
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posted May 15, 2005 10:35 AM
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Ted... I think an "I told you so" is in order
And you deserve one! But give me a little credit for trusting in you and red, because yours was the only info I used to make my decision. I don't trust magazines.
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posted May 15, 2005 10:58 AM
cheers!
And Ted, we wouldnt have steered you wrong... the second I sat on the 10 I knew I'd NEVER ride my 12 again!
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posted May 15, 2005 05:22 PM
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cheers!
And Ted, we wouldnt have steered you wrong... the second I sat on the 10 I knew I'd NEVER ride my 12 again!
I was going to keep my 12, but like you I don't think I will want to ride it. I may have to find a good home for it.
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