redelk
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posted March 07, 2005 07:19 PM
A wire brush and gasoline MIGHT not be in your or the chain's best interest. It might have something to do with the effect that either would have on the rubber O-rings. Just a thought. Speaking of thinking... you might think about a new chain when the weather warrants your riding. I'm sure you old chain has served you well, but I think its time to go quitely into the good night has arrived.
It will not likely prewarn you when it chooses to no longer serve you and it is doubtful that it will just fall off the bike durning some idle late night in the garage. No, when it does possibly check out on you, it could create expenses far greater than a simple replacement. Foregoing the possible personal medical aspect and its costs in such a case, let us just hope that it chooses to distance itself from you by simply rolling its broken self off your rear sprocket. After all, if it does have some sort of "attachment" to you and the "treatment" you gave "her"... it could always chose to just gather up on the counter sprocket... thus cracking your engine case. I understand that replacing such a broken item could possibly cost more than just a replacement chain. Don't quote me on that though.
Just a thought. 
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posted March 07, 2005 07:21 PM
BTW - you might want to run a non O-ring chain at the dirt track. Though it will stretch like a MF'er, it is far cheaper to replace.
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posted March 08, 2005 06:41 PM
yeah, i've considered replacing it and may end up having to do that. i just hate to do so cause it's a new chain from last summer, and has only had a few thousand kms on it, only a little more than my tires. but if it looks like crap when i finalyl go to really clean it and it doesnt come clean easily, i'll just end up having to do exactly that. sucks cause it aint cheap, but better than breaking other stuff (including my leg) if it fails.
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posted March 09, 2005 09:16 AM
 Edited By: fish_antlers on 9 Mar 2005 09:17
I still stand by what I said earlier... if you wanted a bike that was designed for easy replacement of sparkplugs then buy a Duc...
as for yer beef with the 10R, hardly makes sense... to make small compact high HP bikes the engineers need to do what they need to do...
Rather than bitching on the Internet (now... that wouldnt be "ignorant, would it  ) why not crack out yer pirated CAD software and post up a design you think is better. Since you are so well versed in structural engineering and mechanical design I'm sure that you can just whip something off fer us. You know that KMC reads the site... they'll have it in place for the '06 and you'll be living in Japan and eating Tofu ...
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posted March 09, 2005 04:25 PM
Edited By: redelk on 9 Mar 2005 16:29
Stop it Fish! Your killin' me!
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I still stand by what I said earlier... if you wanted a bike that was designed for easy replacement of sparkplugs then buy a Duc...
I thought my complaint was clear and simple. Ease of access is not of issue here. Logic of design is.
The shapes of parts #32190-0119/-0120 seem rather straight forward at first blush. All the same, it could maintain basically the same structural rigidity had the been "flipped" in their angle direction. They would actually follow more inline with the frame itself and would likely result in a brace point offering MORE support and rigidity... thus making the access to coils #1 and #4 no different than that of most common inline four sportbikes
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as for yer beef with the 10R, hardly makes sense... to make small compact high HP bikes the engineers need to do what they need to do...
When have design engineers ever shown a grasp of practical application? In many cases, other "compact" performance designs have shown a little more forethought. Eventually, it is possible that this "minor issue" will likely be quietly addressed over the life span of the 10R. Just as other similar minor design issues have been addressed by countless manufacturers of any type of machinery. Then again, maybe it won't. Those who design motorcycles do not have a corner on the inability to comprehend the aspects of how a product is used or serviced.
If anything, I would not be too keen on letting the average "shop monkey" at some dealership to be messing with such a "critically" designed component will doing general servicing. Do you think they would be attentive to the torque specs of something that was so critical, it had to be made that way? I doubt it. Then again, if it was not as critical of a component that it is not that big of an issue on how accurately the torquing down of it's numerous bolts were, then it also underscores that the stress/load bearing aspect of it is equally "non-critical". Thus, it's design can be simply altered and achieve the same purpose. Would it not? One would note that the service manual makes no mention of bracing or supporting the engine while removing these items. Does this also not indicate that these points do not carry the majority of load or stress?
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Rather than bitching on the Internet (now... that wouldn't be "ignorant, would it )
Why is bringing this information to the attention of fellow ZX-10R owner "ignorant"? Is it something that some believe the general population of 10R owners should NOT be aware of?
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why not crack out yer pirated CAD software...
Don't do that "pirated" or "cracked" software thing at our business or at my home. Period.
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... and post up a design you think is better. Since you are so well versed in structural engineering and mechanical design I'm sure that you can just whip something off fer us.
I believe I just explained the suggestion of such a design in a earlier statement of this post.
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You know that KMC reads the site... they'll have it in place for the '06 and you'll be living in Japan and eating Tofu ...
I'm sure they will be hiring me right after they put you in charge of KMC Media Relations. I'll start packing right now.
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posted March 09, 2005 04:51 PM
BTW - The torque specs are 33 ft/lbs for the 14mm bolts of the bracket (qty. 3) and the one 14mm bolt on the far end of the plate. Which is identical to the majority of other engine supporting bolts/nuts. The two 12mm bolts on the "offending" plate closest to where it attachs to the side brackets are 18 ft/lbs.
Also, note that I never said that they should have just put an attachment point for the side bracket directly on the frame. We all know that it would not work, right?
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posted March 09, 2005 07:44 PM
I was very serious about my previous two comments. As an extremely satisfied former Ducati owner I would suggest that if you want elegance and "logic of design" you pull out your pocket book and purchase something a wee bit more esoteric than the plebeian UJM you are currently owning and complaining about.
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posted March 09, 2005 08:07 PM
Hmmm... yeah, you loved that bike except it was too small for you - looked like you stole your little brother's bike.
And the bike always shut off in the rain.
Doesn't rain here (everyday) - but almost.
Beyond that the Ducati was very well thought out.
I looked really good on it.
It was a work of art.
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posted March 09, 2005 08:08 PM
Did I mention that I looked really good on the 900SS?
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posted March 10, 2005 02:47 AM
No, better say it one more time.
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redelk
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posted March 10, 2005 07:13 AM
Doing "basic" work on a 916 was actually kinda fun. Taking off te bodywork was a snap and access to many items like the battery and plugs were laughable easy. Of couse, we're still trying to keep this in reference to other inline fours, thus the Duc is moot. In reality, even the 12R is equally moot, since it is not a twin spar design. Since the 10R adopted several compact design features found in the R1's engine, it appears there relation of the coils to the frame was not one of them.
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posted March 10, 2005 07:28 PM
Edited By: fish_antlers on 10 Mar 2005 19:32
what's really fun was bugging you! 
shit.. having to remove the engine mounts to get to the spark plugs makes me feel like we got off easy ... they could've made it like getting to the battery on the 12R.... they may be on crack at KHI right now, but when they conjured up the 12R they musta bin doing heroin, speed, crack and shrooms all at the same time....
hopefully next year's 12 will sport some major changes... like a lynching of the battery tray designer. If yer really pissed about the engine mounts then you can toss him into the lynching too 
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posted March 10, 2005 08:42 PM
YOU KIDS BETTER START PLAYING NICE!!!!!!
or your both gonna go stand in the corner "TOGETHER!!!"
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posted March 11, 2005 01:34 AM
extreme - I'd rather cut off my throttle hand!
fish - first you complain about the 12R sparkplugs and NOW it the battery? WTF? By leaving out the top bolt of the side cover, it seemed easier to access the 12R's battery than either my 7R or the 10R. Of course, if you go AGAINST KMC's recommendation and leave the jumper cable attached, one doesn't even need to mess with it. Even for charging. Unless your replacing it of course. Then ya gotta a point there.
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posted March 11, 2005 08:37 AM
Try removing the battery.
Ducati is as easy as unclipping tank (no tools needed) and there's the battery, and all te electrics on a nice rack.
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posted March 11, 2005 11:13 AM
You said, "Nice Rack" and "Tools" ..... kooool!
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