posted November 18, 2004 05:27 AM
What percent are Bullsh*tters? I was wondering, in your experience, what percent of the guys you ride with or converse with on websites, are full of it? Do you really think they can tell that Brand X tires heat up faster than Brand Y? Like they were sliding all over hell for the first five minutes but then were completely at ease after that? Or are they spewing crap? Can the majority of riders feel 2 HP seat-of-the-pants? Do the majority even know how to adjust their suspension if, say, they wanted less tendency to wheely. Because when I'm at the local hangout with some guy who has 1/2 inch chicken strips and no gear on, I cringe when he starts spouting off about the best tires or best suspension or best oil. In my estimation, the majority of riders don't have the expertise or experience to make the claims they do, both on websites and on the street. (There, I feel better getting this off my chest)
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posted November 18, 2004 06:33 AM
Not that much different than guys in the old days, sitting around the pickle barrel at the general store, swapping stories.
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posted November 18, 2004 07:00 AM
They are just enjoying themselves. Wide eyed from that twist of the throttle and the rush like nothing they have ever experienced. Eager to pass on info they have read on the net because it puts them on that next higher podium than the guy asking about tires.....or a pipe.......or suspension. Human nature.
swft worded it well in his post above.
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posted November 18, 2004 08:44 AM
It is the listener's responsibilty to evaluate the reliability of the source. The guy with bitch lines, I'm not listening to. The real question should be: "Is it appropriate to tell the guy to shut the hell up if he's so obviously unqualified to have an opinion, or should one be polite and let the stupid fucktard continue his polution of the local knowledge base."
posted November 18, 2004 09:14 AM
That's a very tough call 12R... I have met 100's of members from this site and others... division seems to be "by" website and not websites "in general" ... This site in particular seems to have a disproportionate share of industry professionals... however I can think of a few other sites (take BCSB for example) that are full of squids...
I would think that you could tell by the general banter in on the sites if the members are squids (using the term loosely to encompass your point) by the topics they have online....
Spongehead is the LAST guy on the planet to comment... I saw that guy ride and he might as well have been on a trike or in a Buick Skylark... an absolute travesty to be riding a 10R like that... Chicken strips? try breasts or whole halfs of chicken on that man's ride
I'd say on this site you'll find 20% industry prof. 20% hardcore racer/rider 40% above avg street rider (fast "group B" riders but not quite "group a") and 20% mix of everyone else. That's my guess.
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posted November 18, 2004 11:19 AM
12rpilot, personally, i think even alot of the non-bullshitters (that is, the people who really know their stuff) are often rather random/inaccurate on things liek which tires are the best. if u evaluate them by jsut buying and running a set then trying the next set, there are just WAY too many variables to make anything but the biggest differences in teh tires stand out. if u really want to know the difference, u'd have to do a shootout like the magazines do, where u slap a set on a bike, take it out for 15 minutes, then come back in, put another set ont eh same bike, and go out again. it's just like dyno runs. besides which, when it comes to alot of those things, what's "best" is so rediculously subjective anyway. look at the dunlop vs bridgestone vs michelin battle for example. in my experience the people who have that kind of experience with product will be heistant to say "this oen is better than that one" cause they KNOW the differences are often minor, and very subjective. guess it's a symtom of the "the more u know, the less u realize u know" factor. i know i feel stupider every year that goes by
but i think what u were really asking about is all the loudmouth wannabe-pro-reviewers u see at the local hangout or on all forums (there's a few of them everywhere, sometiems mroe than others). in my experience, about 50% of them struck me as being total balonga, 30% based on reality but hardly worth the O2 it took to say them, and 20% of them based on real experience and knowledge. those %s are obviously almost meaninglessly approximate and are more my interpretations than reality anyway, which i guess jsut makes me one of the %30
posted November 18, 2004 01:48 PM
I think some might not even realize what they might be saying to someone who truly knows... They may simply be giving you the biz from their own level of experience. I know on tires for instance, jeez... it's completely subjective to so many things...
But I do enjoy actually riding with the ones who seem to really tell the best stories.... "Normally", they don't ride exactly how they bench-race....
posted November 18, 2004 04:09 PM
Well, answering a topic like this one makes you think about yourself. I'm not normally given to such introspection... The result of the soul searching: I think I probably sound like an idiot from time to time, as I discover what the jaded have known for years.
And, I'm spending a shitload of money to find out about the track (and this better be worth it...).
So from my perspective, on this site, probably 80% of the folks are worth listening to.
On some other sites, maybe 80% of the membership are full of shit.
I almost don't dare post on the 13x WERA forums... even to ask about the damned rulebook!
posted November 18, 2004 09:13 PM
what about being blinded with science???
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posted November 21, 2004 06:06 AM
Also I want to add to my previous answer.
I think about 50% of the riders I meet on the street are wanna bes.
This website has a very high amount of people whom seem to know what they are talking about. But also this is not a fair sampling as we are all 10R riders here. I don't think it is a bike that alot of BS'rs will buy.
Now if we were on a Hyabusa board (no offence to anyone here that also has a bus) but it seems like 90% of the people I meet on a Busa are parking lot champs only. Get them on the street and they they don't even hit 7K.
posted November 21, 2004 06:32 AM
Bullshit, maybe...Maybe not!!!
I give credit to those that might / do know something or those that have learned from others and posting on these Motorcycle Web sites SHARING what they have learned!!!
Those people, I like better then those that dont share their knowledge but are quick to tell the novice riders / wrenchers that they are full of crap...Sure there are alot of people here that dont want to believe a novice, due to having years more experience...
Another example is, just because someone has years of experience and knowledge and a business selling parts doesnt mean that its the best bang for your buck!!!...Guys dont be afraid to experiment doing your own work for bolt on mods, its not hard at all...
posted November 21, 2004 07:14 AM
I just wonder about all the guys that determine tire warm up times. Are these guys sliding both ends until the tires warm up? Because if they are, they are way braver than me. I know maybe a handful of guys that are sliding their bikes or backing it into corners. Judging by the postings here, I'm alot slower than most. I'm not accusing or whining, just wondering. Personally, I do a careful lap and then let it rip.
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posted November 21, 2004 09:11 AM
I've always noticed the bullshit get noticeably thicker when there is a girl asking a question , when my wife was drag racing it was ridiculous how much bad information she had to listen to relating to just about anything from tire pressure to shift RPM to ....... it never really ended . If I was out of town working then it was even worse . Good for laugh's I suppose .
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posted November 21, 2004 11:37 AM
About 2yrs ago I pulled into a parking lot with 8 Hayabusas.
From model years 2000-2003. Each bike had a minimum of 15mm on each side of the tire that was unused. None had exhausts, sans maybe 2 with slipons. I found that the "leader" was holding class and giving a dissertation on the benefits of a TRE. He had the enthusiasm of a late night infomercial host.
I challenged one of his "points", and he then began to reach into the hump storage area and pull out 1 of a few magazines he has stored in there to rebut my challenge....lol.
Then 1 by 1... each Hayabusa rider proceeded to testify to me how "they all have gone over 200" with various mods such as "slip ons" and "gearing changes" or "airfilters". At this point I offered $1000 and my GPS AND a place to prove me wrong right then and there....lol. YOu can guess the outcome.
In there minds I was a "hater"....hehe
quote:Also I want to add to my previous answer.
I think about 50% of the riders I meet on the street are wanna bes.
This website has a very high amount of people whom seem to know what they are talking about. But also this is not a fair sampling as we are all 10R riders here. I don't think it is a bike that alot of BS'rs will buy.
Now if we were on a Hyabusa board (no offence to anyone here that also has a bus) but it seems like 90% of the people I meet on a Busa are parking lot champs only. Get them on the street and they they don't even hit 7K.
This board seems to be 90 - 95% real riders.
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posted November 21, 2004 08:33 PM
dude you are a loser! I went 205 Up hill with the wind in my face... oh yea I was on one wheel also! and had a fat chick on the back... Oh dont tell my wife...
quote:About 2yrs ago I pulled into a parking lot with 8 Hayabusas.
From model years 2000-2003. Each bike had a minimum of 15mm on each side of the tire that was unused. None had exhausts, sans maybe 2 with slipons. I found that the "leader" was holding class and giving a dissertation on the benefits of a TRE. He had the enthusiasm of a late night infomercial host.
I challenged one of his "points", and he then began to reach into the hump storage area and pull out 1 of a few magazines he has stored in there to rebut my challenge....lol.
Then 1 by 1... each Hayabusa rider proceeded to testify to me how "they all have gone over 200" with various mods such as "slip ons" and "gearing changes" or "airfilters". At this point I offered $1000 and my GPS AND a place to prove me wrong right then and there....lol. YOu can guess the outcome.
In there minds I was a "hater"....hehe
quote:Also I want to add to my previous answer.
I think about 50% of the riders I meet on the street are wanna bes.
This website has a very high amount of people whom seem to know what they are talking about. But also this is not a fair sampling as we are all 10R riders here. I don't think it is a bike that alot of BS'rs will buy.
Now if we were on a Hyabusa board (no offence to anyone here that also has a bus) but it seems like 90% of the people I meet on a Busa are parking lot champs only. Get them on the street and they they don't even hit 7K.
This board seems to be 90 - 95% real riders.
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