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posted October 12, 2004 04:19 PM
ok I need some advice....
I can get some race scrubs for 100 bucks cdn. My buddy is using them on his 04 r6 and swears by them. The thing is they only come in 180/55/r17 for the rear. I figure for 100 bucks I can't go wrong. The only thing I am worried about is screwing up the handleing of the bike...so let me know what you think.
  
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posted October 12, 2004 04:26 PM
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blink.
If you ride takeoffs, but don't lean much on the street, you'll be fine. See, the guy who took 'em off done scrubbed the sides on ya...
All seriousness: you should be OK if you know why you're buying takeoffs. 180/55 does not adversely affect the handling - in my opinion, it makes it faster handling. This may not be optimal in your book, but if you're riding takeoffs, you're expecting to stay on the center of the tire anyway, or close to it. Or, so I hope...
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posted October 12, 2004 05:37 PM
Race takeoffs on the street/dragstrip are ok. Its the maroons that recommend them for track days/spirited riding you have to watch out for..lol
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blazin
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posted October 12, 2004 05:57 PM
Ya I am fairly agressive in the corners. Without leathers there is just over a 1/4 inch of untouched rubber on my rear. I am not planning to use them on the track. I know they are worn but should have lots of grip on the sides for me.
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posted October 12, 2004 09:01 PM
Interesting subject thatz been discussed before. IMHO - He took them off because they weren't working anymore...... So........ Mount/ride them at your own risk.
Tire size - 180 is for a 600. Not the 10. But if you're not going around any corners, then maybe it doesn't matter. Handling, gearing/mph will change. But again, just depends how you ride the thing.
Personally, I've just never understood the logic of it from a risk factor standpoint. Ya paid the big bucks for bike, itz a real nasty bike, and nothing is more important than your only contact point of control with the road - ie; tires. But thatz just another opinion that you're asking for.....
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posted October 12, 2004 09:04 PM
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Personally, I've just never understood the logic of it from a risk factor standpoint. Ya paid the big bucks for bike, itz a real nasty bike, and nothing is more important than your only contact point of control with the road - ie; tires. But thatz just another opinion that you're asking for.....
Perfectly said ole wise one. (or was that old wise...)
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posted October 13, 2004 01:01 AM
Fughettaboutit... There's people that will buy recycled oil (Wolf's Head) and use that in their bike too. Those are the same guys who have the minimum insurance, ride with nothing but a tanktop and sneakers, and invariably loft up the front wheel in rush hour traffic... 
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posted October 13, 2004 04:50 AM
I agree.
I do not like anything used.
I am amazed at the people who put used tires on thier cars.
Safety way cost a few pennies more but is your life worth it.
I guess you could make a new saying
"if you have a cheap life, buy cheap tires"
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posted October 13, 2004 07:10 AM
I have several friends that get take-offs from a reputable source. These are the real Dunlop 208GPs that are supplied to racers. I guarantee you they are BETTER than new, if by new you mean an off the shelf 208gp. I'm not sure why that is. There are two possibilities I can think of. One is that Dunlop is whoring their name and racing one tire while selling another (try to get an alternate compound from your local store.) The other is that racing tires are delivered "al dente." Almost cooked. Bring them up to temp with tire warmers and finish with a good track session, and they become a whole new animal. I've experienced this with a set of Rennsports. That's what I see. If you are getting a clapped out set of tires with 50 or 100 heat cycles from some street rider, you are wasting cash.
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posted October 13, 2004 07:20 AM
I think the key to good take offs is who you get them from. To say all take offs are no good is not quite accurate. Here a couple of examples at either end of the scale:
1. Starving club racer who uses a set of tires for a whole race weekend plus a second weekend of practice. Pretty shagged on the edges and lots of heat cycles. These tires would be fine for some punk hooligan on a clapped out '91 CBRF2 with pho fur on the bodywork, probably not much else.
2. Maybe a freind of a freind knows someone at the factory race team who can snag practice tires. These will often have only one heat cycle and not many laps. These would be great for all but the most anal-break-it-in-by-the-book-has-beens. (respectfully)
As a has-been that had a tire sponsor back in the day, I know that alot of the tires that I pitched back into the tire trailer were still very very usable.
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posted October 13, 2004 07:30 AM
That's a good point. Having worked pit crew for AMA racers (Larry Pegram, Mike Sullivan) I can tell you that I wouldn't have a prob with buying a set of Mie's akeoffs, but no way I'd buy Larry's! He's friggin brutal on tires!
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posted October 13, 2004 07:43 AM
I always love the take-offs that come through after Daytona - get all kindsa weird wear and problems.
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posted October 13, 2004 07:46 AM
Those are triple compound. Soft on the left, medium in the middle, fuggin bowling ball on the right side of the tire.
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posted October 13, 2004 07:51 AM
I know that, and you know that but......
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posted October 13, 2004 08:31 AM
Just consider the source and be prepared for a funky set now and then. Even with a good, reliable supplier. Remember, stupid hurts.
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posted October 13, 2004 09:25 AM
Caveat Emptor!
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posted October 13, 2004 04:40 PM
Not to be outdone in the post count dept:
Carpe Diem!
(I've never bought takeoffs, and wouldn't, but I may try to sell some on eBay someday)
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posted October 13, 2004 06:01 PM
Takeoffs make good dragstrip tires.... thats about it. 
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posted October 13, 2004 06:35 PM
Cave Canem! 
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posted October 13, 2004 07:50 PM
Rubio ergo sputem!
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posted October 13, 2004 08:02 PM
Nil desperandum!
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posted October 13, 2004 08:12 PM
buy a gixxer
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posted October 14, 2004 12:30 PM
Turbo - now that I would agree with! Probably the perfect use of them, since most have a huge amount of rubber left in the center portion of the tire. Plus with the way you guys torture them with burn-outs and low air pressure, they'd probably work great!
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posted October 14, 2004 01:17 PM
I got two sets of D208GP in the back of my truck right now. One set is obviously toasted and the other set "looks" barely scuffed in. Both sets will be going to my dealer's "used tire pile" behind their shop.
All season long, I've had access to our team's take-offs. We've probably have easily gone through 30+ sets of tires, if not more. Seeing as they have come off of '99 and '00 R6 race bikes piloted by novice level riders, the tires would hardly be considered as abused... right?
Actually, according to our contract with Dunlop, we are supposed to give our used tires back to Dunlop. They resell them to stunt teams. While installing new rubber onto our rims, Dunlop has refused more than 80% of our take-offs. Now if Dunlop refused to take our tires and left me responsible to dispose of them... I really don't think it would be in my best interest to be throwing them onto my 10R.
Being on the extremely tight budget that we are, we try to get the last lap out of every tire we buy. Often, we'll go a little past that point. I've always stuck with the simple thought of "there is a reason why they took the tires off". Even if I do not ride nearly as hard as our team's riders do (which is no big stretch of the imagination), and if I did mount a set on my bike, I'm guessing that when the tires finally do let go, it won't be when I am pulling into my driveway after a day's ride. They might give me "racer like" grip for a while, but I will not know for how long. Seeing as how I can't just pull into the pits and get fresh rubber, it is still a risk I will never take.
Just my humble and worthless opinion.
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posted October 19, 2004 03:12 PM
I am of mixed opinions on this subject. I would PREFER new tires, however I can always afford new tires. I do run take offs and have had NOTHING BUT GREAT LUCK with them, on and off the track. Now granted I am no Josh Hayes, but I push my tires pretty hard on the track. I have run atleast 6 sets of take offs on trackdays and love them.
I do however one buy my take offs from one individual I know. he uses the tires I get for qualifying, and then sells them to me. They have 1 heat cycle on them when I get them, and probably no more than 10 laps. This is the only way i will buy take offs and run them on the track.
For the street I use the take offs and like them. just got to make sure they heat up good before laying the bike over. Matter of fact at the last gap trip I was on, I had a set on my 600, and they worked great on the Cherohola, adn the Gap. But again, I KNOW THE HISTORY OF THE TIRES! ! !
I am not getting mine off ebay, or from my local racer who wears them plumb out andthen trys to sell them......
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