badboy
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posted September 29, 2004 10:43 AM
Muzzy sliders failing again?
http://zx-10r.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3034
Second time I heard this...
Moko sliders don't seam to have this problem?
I seen one go down at the track.
Time to trade out and get money back.
   
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Hells Dark Lord
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posted September 29, 2004 10:46 AM
here we go again....
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Frankyoz
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posted September 29, 2004 10:53 AM
Damn that sucks, any response from Muzzy yet?
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posted September 29, 2004 11:29 AM
http://zx-10r.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3034
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frEEk
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posted September 29, 2004 12:52 PM
there's WAY too much about his description of the crash that doesn't make sense to me. not suggesting he's lying, but i think some of his numbers are off and he's unknowingly leaving out alot of important details. I'd wanna see a pic of the slider. saying the bolt holding the slider to the bracket pulled out makes NO sense since there is pressure pushing the slider into the body and sideways, but nothing pulling it out. maybe it wasnt secured correctly? either that or it broke off when it hit the curb. either way i'd want to see a picture before drawing any kind of a conclusion.
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fattkaw
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posted September 29, 2004 03:25 PM
this is the guys quote: Thanks again for the support. Yeah, there's no frame damage at all. The frame is totally untouched. I think the combination of the frame sliders and the swingarm spools saved the frame but so did the bar end weight and to some little extent the Pazzo levers. The bar end weight is all ground down. Only about half of it is left which is why part of my grip was damaged. Yeah, I was in total disbelief that something like that could happen. I was pretty pissed. I could say oh well if I was doing something crazy stupid or was stunting but I was doing neither.
is't that what the sliders really made for?
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ZX10 Guy
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posted September 29, 2004 04:34 PM
I'm the guy that you are talking about. Some of you asked for pics...well here they are:
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frEEk
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posted September 29, 2004 05:14 PM
looks like the slider did it's job for a while at least, given the damage to the end. a in-focus closeup of the mounting hole in the bracket would be good. also, is there significant damage to the side of the slider? and is the large bold pictures with the slider the one that mounted it?
shame that the bike hit a curb. sounds like the majority of the damage, esp the serious damage, was a result of that  musta hit it pretty hard to dent the wheel too. pretty frustrating for sure.
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ZX10 Guy
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posted September 29, 2004 05:28 PM
Sorry for the out of focus pic. My digital camera has a hard time with close in shots when there's a lot of other stuff at different proximities to the object. The threads in the bracket looked like they just gave way. The bolt in the pic with the slider is the bolt used to mount it. From what I can tell the bolt seems ok. The slider didn't have any damage to the side of it either. It all happened so fast that as I think about it now (after a few days which isn't totally reliable anymore)....I'm not quite sure if the bike did hit the curb. The bike rested between two parked cars in the lot...luckily not touching either one of them. I think it would have been pretty difficult for the bike to smack the curb bounce back a couple feet without touching either car. I kinda wonder if the damage happened when the bike fell over and bounced off the ground as it was sliding away. Because I do seem to recall it hopping a little. If you look at the wheel you wouldn't even know it was bent. No marks on the rim at all. I'll just be happy to see this nightmare over. Some people say I could have some steering head damage where the frame is tweeked. I don't know. Everything on the bike seems ok. I've looked for shifted bolts all around and couldn't find any. The bent lower tripple is only so slightly bent. If you looked it you wouldn't know it was bent until you looke really close at it. From what I can tell about the lower tripple is that it's rotated slightly rotated on the left side so it doesn't sit totally flat on a flat surface. And the steering stop for the left side is bent enough to be noticeable. The right side is perfect.
As for a response from Muzzy's, I haven't heard from Curt since I talked to him on Monday. I asked him how much the parts were gonna be to replace the damaged ones. He took my number and said he would call back.
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frEEk
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posted September 29, 2004 05:37 PM
doncha just wish u had a camera crew filming you when you went down?!? i know it bugged the hell oughta me when i went down and couldnt perfectly rebuild what happened. it's even worse when the damage jsut doesn't make sense, as in your case. Seriously doubt the wheel woud bend or more importantly, the forms/triples would become damaged unless it hit something when it was still moving at least 10 or 20mph (tho i dont _know_ that). still can't imagine how the slider woudl come off either, especially when there's no damage to the sides, suggesting it did not experience undo lateral pressure. maybe the bolt was overtightened and partially stripped the threads so they were real weak? damn man, i really feel bad for ya. this whole crash & the damageis jsut real annoying somehow, ya know?
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fattkaw
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posted September 29, 2004 07:17 PM
so I'm guessing that where the bolt head rests in the slider is where it broke out?? It looks like the threads are in the bracket.
BTW zx10 guy sorry that happend to you and 1/2 air impacts are deadly on bike parts.
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posted September 30, 2004 09:43 AM
 Edited By: worm~hole on 30 Sep 2004 10:45
...uh...frame sliders....these things protect the frame, right? ... and not necessarily the body parts. right?... my frame was unscathed except for the 6" by 2" rectangular dent where the truck struck the right frame spar....there were no scratches on the frame, even after the bike slid, but the fairings were totalled....the sliders did its job well...uh huh....i thought so 
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posted September 30, 2004 10:19 AM
worm, stop being so logical.
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posted September 30, 2004 11:53 AM
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worm, stop being so logical.
...hey, somebody's gotta be 
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RobMuzzy
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posted October 01, 2004 07:43 AM
ZX10 Guy- This is the first time I have seen this thread. Please contact me direct. rob@muzzys.com or 541-385-0706. I am very concerned about your experience with our frame sliders. We designed these with best intent however you must understand we dont do crash testing. Information from you will help us improve the product.
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posted October 01, 2004 07:54 AM
wow.
very cool!
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posted October 01, 2004 08:44 AM
Looks like the impact wasn't involving much sliding...More like *WHACK*...
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posted October 01, 2004 09:02 AM
Edited By: worm~hole on 1 Oct 2004 10:03
Mr. Rob...just fyi: one of the the slider cylinders on my bike also snapped off, but I don't know how or when...my handlebars also snapped off, same inquiry...these damages may have been post-crash when the tow-gorillas dragged/loaded crashed bike onto the flatbed, so who knows?...all I know is that the frame appeared unscathed except for the 6"x2" dent on the right rightside spar directly in front of where my knee bends when I'm in the riding position...WHEW!!!!...that woulda' left a mark on my right knee, huh?
Just giving you some info, but I'll no problem buying another set or replacement parts for the damaged pieces for the next 10R that may find its way into my garage in a few months...the brackets appear fine and the just-installed Muzzy dampener looked fine, too, post-crash....my dealer is attempting to remove these Muzzy products off of the bike for me...
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posted October 01, 2004 11:31 AM
Wheels don't hold up for crap - I'm surprised guys aren't finding flat spots from potholes.
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posted October 01, 2004 12:26 PM
Badboy a couple questions;
1) Why are you in this forum?
2) What kind of bike do you ride if the 10r sucks so bad?
3) Most importantly do you have a mullet to go with your late 80's screen name?
I can just imagine you riding around in your 91 cheby S10 smoking a marlboro red with a killer bad boy club sticker behind the driver seat.
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posted October 01, 2004 12:56 PM
avdigigeek that's funny!!! 
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posted October 01, 2004 01:02 PM
and accurate
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posted October 01, 2004 01:23 PM
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avdigigeek that's funny!!!
Thanks some times it's a gift others a curse but usually funny regardless...
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SPROCKET
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posted October 01, 2004 01:32 PM
badboy accused Muzzy's of copying moko frame sliders. Here it is: http://zx10r.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=19&TID=14254
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ronis
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posted October 01, 2004 02:24 PM
Edited By: ronis on 1 Oct 2004 15:25
So everyone is against badboy, right?
Well, here're some facts:
1) I don't say Muzzy copied Moko's frame slider idea but they look very similar and Moko did them some months before Muzzy, so badboy at leaset may make his point without everyone flaming him.
2) Good frame sliders are supposed to protect side plastics as well in case of lowside. All this talks about FRAME sliders protecting frame is BS to me!
Just my opinion.
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