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posted August 31, 2004 08:12 PM
Latest report on Backmarker Racing
Well, who ever said there's no problems in racing... never raced. The boys of Backmarker racing got messed with by "Lady Luck" again during our last six hour endurance race. Ah, the joys of a race team's first season.
Things were not good even before the start of the race since it had rained the night before and the track was soaked. The tire reps were humping that morning as everyone was mounting up their rain tires. To make matters worse, 15 minutes prior to the afternoon start, the track dries out and the skies start to clear. Many teams chose to start off with their rain tires, Since we had not yet "perfected" the art of green flag tire changes, we decided it was best to change back to our regular tires before the start. Well, not really BEFORE the start. More like during the warm up lap right before the start. As expected, the change did not go nearly as smooth as the practicing we did the night before. Having the rear brake pads fall out of the caliper and other unplanned "minor set backs" put us 13+ minutes behind by the time we completed our first lap.
As the sun started to shine down on the track, so did Ms. Luck shine down on us. It seems that the majority of those that started the race on rain tires were turning in terrible lap times and their tire changes were not going too smooth either. Though we had not made up all 13 minutes, the aggressive riding of Billy, our lead off rider, had put us well back into the hunt of a good podium finish.
Ah, but Ms. Luck can be such a tease. As the halfway point approached and we prepared to bring in our second rider, Michael, ... the front end washes out and he crashes at the last turn next to the pits. We had already watched six other bikes go down in that same spot, but the officials and corner workers still felt the track was clear. It probably was and it's just a real tough downhill, off camber corner. Having corner worked myself, I'm well aware that team members are not allowed to go to the aid of their riders. The very competent corner workers and CMRA officials were already on the scene and tending to our rider... who had yet to even sit up. That was enough for me to start edging my way down to the corner and see what was going on. I was soon being shadowed by Thomas (another team rider) and the both of us tried to "sneak" our way down to the corner. The fact that we were both making our way though a very open field and was obvious to everyone there did not deter us.
Just as the officials were waving us back to the pits and Michael was starting to stand up, Billy joins us on our pit bike. Even though we were in no way in danger of possibly getting hit by another crashing bike, I know we did not belong there and told the other two that we needed to get back to our pit where we belonged. That is until I saw that the officials had told Michael that he could just walk back to the pits since he claimed he was not injured. Normally, the officials will give the rider a ride back to the pits and I felt that just because our rider was within a couple hundred yards of the pits, they should have in this case as well. Just because the rider says he's okay does not mean that he is. I turned to Billy and told him to take the pit bike and go get Michael. I figured that if the officials felt it was safe for him to walk back, it was just as safe for us to pick him up. It was obvious that Michael's reflexes were no longer "cat-like" and if by some freak incident, another bike was to crash near him, he would not be able to get out of the way. The less time he spent out next to the track, the better in my opinion.
Thomas escorted Michael back to the trailer while Billy, Jonathan and I waited in the pit for them to bring us the bike and we could assess the damages. The corner workers felt that the bike was not damaged enough to warrant bringing out the tow truck and was attempting to start it and ride it back into the pits. After watching them look all over the bike for over 10 minutes and still not successfully starting it, I started looking for an official with a radio. Instead of an keyed ignition switch, we have a small "valet" toggle switch on the side in a recessed portion of the frame. Fearing that it might be turned off, I tried to explain to the official about the switch and he tried relaying it to the corner workers. Now almost 20 minutes had gone by and I was starting to get really pissed off. Finally a friend of the team's who is a CMRA official and "roving track worker" rode down there on his XR100 and pushed the bike back to the pits.
By this time, Michael had returned to the pit area and thankfully, his injuries were limited to simply being sore in several spots. As we started to examine the bike, besides the "normal" damage to the bodywork, the only mechanical damage was a missing front brake lever. The rearsets and related hardware were still intact and not even tweaked. I quickly replaced the lever while others removed dirt, grass, duct taped bodywork and reattach the tail section. The tech inspector gave the bike a once over and okayed it to go back out onto the track. Great! We might have lost another 40 minutes, no thanks to the insistence of the corner workers on trying to start the bike instead of just moving it by some other means (we could have gone down there and pushed it back a lot faster), but we were ready to get back at it. Or so we thought.
As I tried to start the bike again, Ms. Luck chose to throw us another curve. The bike would not fire. Seeing as how I was just running down the battery, I told one of the Michael to get my 2/10/50 amp battery charger from the back of my truck. From helpful advice from others in the pit area and by my own suspicions, we figure the bike was just badly flooded. After about five minutes of trying to start the bike, it became apparent that there was so much fuel in the engine that the tank was going to have to come up so I could disconnect the fuel line. We also started removing the airbox cover to see what the situation was in there. Now, 50 minutes had passed since the crash and it seemed like we were no closer to getting back onto the track. Then, all of a sudden... BLAAAAAAAAAAAP! Almost a quart of raw gas belched out of the exhaust canister. Had there been a bike in the adjacent pit stall, we would have covered it and their crew with gas. A few more hits on the starter and the bike sputtered to life, ran for a brief moment and then died.
We started putting everything back together and as Jonathan we getting onto the bike, I went to start the bike. Nothing. This time, we just raised the tank, turned off the fuel again and kept trying to start the bike. Large amounts of gas fumes bellowed out of the exhaust and finally it fires up again. I waited until I had ran all of the fuel out of the bowls, just to make sure that Ms. Luck was not still teasing us. Realizing that everything seemed to be "fixed", we put the tank and steering damper back on, Jonathan hops aboard and we finally got back onto the track. I later found out that our little "extended" pit stop cost us 1:01:43.232. Oh well. Our hopes of a podium had all but vanished, but this is endurance racing where every lap counts and there was still about two and a half hours left.
As Jonathan approached the one hour mark of his ride, his legs started to cramp and he signaled that he was wanting to come in. Having already worked out our rider change/pit stop strategy and pit-to-rider communication earlier, everybody knew what to do. Our first stop had gone smoothly. We had refueled the bike with almost 5 gallons of gas and swapped riders in a little over 60 seconds. Even though we were prepared to do a tire change sometime during the 6 hours, since we had been out of the race for about 1:15 total, we were going to try to make it through on one set of tires. We signal Jonathan to come on in, but it took a few laps before he saw the pit board. Not a problem though since his lap times were starting to go down again. Eventually, the cramps got the best of him and he came on in. Unknown to us, his cramps were so bad that he could not hold up the bike as we started to put the bike on the rear stand. He and the bike promptly fall over. At least it was on the same side Michael crashed on. We get the bike upright as Michael and Thomas help Jonathan over the pit wall. Thomas rejoins us while we refuel the bike and get Billy out for what we hope to be the last stint.
Billy proceeds to turn some killer lap times as we watch him chase down and even pass some of the riders in the expert and superbike classes. As the last hour starts winding down, we realize that having enough fuel to finish could be a problem. Billy had already been out for some time and after doing the math, it looked like he could end up doing 50 laps during the hour and twenty minutes or so from the time he went out and the end of the race. That was about 5 laps more than our "normal" pit window. Sure enough, as it got down to what seemed to be enough time for about 5 laps, Billy's lap times started going up by a couple of seconds. When it got to where there was about 3 laps left, Billy points at the gas tank as he goes by the pits. Knowing a pit stop at this stage is pointless, I signal him to just stay out and run it out of gas. He did and the bike didn't. It made it with just fumes to spare. We later found out that the low fuel light had been on for over 10 laps. Lady Luck is such a tease.
Well, for all our efforts Backmarker Racing ended up finishing the race fifth in class and 24th overall. Our perseverance has allowed us to secure 5th in class (out of 23 teams) and 20th overall (out of 87 teams) in the season standings. The icing on the cake is that BMR will make the "results page" in the next issue of Road Racing World again. For the third time.
Have I said how proud I am of my boys? Man, I am so damn proud of my boys and more importantly I so damn happy we made it through another race without a trip to the hospital or other injury. The 3" cut on my hand while repairing the bike after the crash doesn't count. I should have been wearing my gloves.
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posted August 31, 2004 08:20 PM
Awesome read!
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posted August 31, 2004 08:20 PM
What a read. I felt like I was in the pits with you... frustrated, get that bike started!
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posted August 31, 2004 08:26 PM
Not being one of the actual team riders, I often spend time in the pits feeling kinda useless while watching them dice through traffic and haul some serious ass down the straight aways. Then I kinda get selfish and think to myself that they might be kicking ass on the track... but they're doing it on the bike I prepared (with their help, of course).
Then all is right with the world.
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posted August 31, 2004 10:17 PM
Great Job!!! I would love to be on your Team Red!! great teamwork.
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posted August 31, 2004 10:45 PM
 Edited By: redelk on 31 Aug 2004 23:48
Mike, I now know what it must feel like for you when you have a season filled with ups and downs. Realizing that you are so close to finishing well only to have something tear down the oh so fragile house of cards you've worked so hard to build. So many time, that podium was within our reach and to watch it get snatched out of our hands, often by no fault of our own, can be so frustrating.
It's learning to channel those energies of that frustration to concentrating on everyone remaining focused on the next event is what seems so hard. It's not much of a problem for the rest of the guys... just me. I've gotten better at it, but I still slip into that thinking of "If I had done this or that, we'd be higher up in the standings". Like I said, I'm getting better at not doing that. There's always next season and the best part is that no matter how we finish, it will ALWAYS be RACING and nothing is better than that.
There only one endurance race left in the season and it's just a 4 hour event. Less laps equals less available points. To move further up in position for class and overall on the season's standings are pretty big leaps.
The Medium Superstock (600cc) endurance class has both the experts and novices (like us) combined. All four teams ahead of us in class are expert teams. Mathematically, it's possible for us to finish the season forth in class, but highly unlikely. Though not really recognized, I'm still proud of being the leading team in class with every rider being a novice. Four of the team's five riders have never race in any form of motorcycle racing (dirt, strip or track) before this season. In overall standings, we might be able to move up a spot or two, but beyond that, it goes back to being a "mathematically possible" thing. The teams that are ahead of us in class are currently 6th, 7th, 11th and 12th in the overall.
Though we are 95 points out of 19th overall, there is 95 points or less points separating us and 9 of the teams behind us. There is just 32 or less points between us and four of those teams. A class win at our last event would be worth about 300 or so points. A point for each lap and top 15 finishes in class (150 to 10 pts)/overall (15 to 1 pts). Scoring points in top 15 in class have been fairly easy. Since we have not finished in the Top 15 overall (yet), we have not received any points there. So, a third place at our last event would be worth around 260 class points. Since each class finish position is worth 10 points (currently the same gap between us and 6th), we'll be fighting hard enough just to maintain or current position in class.
This is a brief review of our class finishes this season:
Texas World (2.9m - 5hr) - 8th crashed out after 79 laps and race was called - class winner had 95 laps
Cresson, TX (1.7m - 5hr) - 6th crashed but was able to re-enter before the race was restarted - we had 135 laps - class winner had 163
Hallett, OK (1.7m - 5hr) - 12th engine failure after 45 laps - class winner had 180 (that really hurt us)
Texas World (2.9m - 8hr) - 7th no problems but a lot of "one event racers" in class - we had 164 laps - class winner had 183
Hallett, OK (1.7m - 5hr) - 4th no problems during our 172 laps - class winner had 188
Cresson, TX (1.7m - 6hr) - 5th crashed and re-entered as explained in previous post - we had 187 laps - class winner had 237
Actually, our highest goal for this season has been a podium finish in class. That is still within reach. A long reach, since the top three in class are always within 5 laps or less of each other. Lessons learned from crashes and often pit stops that took too long have been well learned. Though this last even is the season's shortest at 4 hours, we are almost already sophomores (wise fools) and we are hungry as well as far more focused. Still, a lot can happen in four hours. The equalizer is that it doesn't just happen to us. Playing heads up racing both on the track and in the pits will either make or break us.
All the same, since this is all really "just for fun" and we all have other personal commitments that will keep us for ever moving much beyond club level (not to mention the fact that we are all a bunch of old fucks), I almost think we enjoy this more than if we were big buck/big time. To be in our position both in skill (limited) and in money (even more limited) almost requires more "thinking" to do well. That's what really makes it FUN!
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posted September 01, 2004 03:32 AM
a great read Sherm, you Jon and the boys are kicking butt for a bunch of first years racers....and keep in mind that EVERYONE has to play their part in a race team, and that is even more important on an endurance team. So it takes a good pit guy to keep it all together. Good luck to you all in the last event.....keep us posted....
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posted September 01, 2004 08:02 AM
quite the little drama! excellent result considering the problems. congrats to the whole team!
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posted September 01, 2004 01:29 PM
I am in that situation right now! I am 2 points out of first place for the championship in the Hardcore dragbike series for the Midwest, it is in byron, Il right outside of chicago.... Oh man it is driving me crazy!!! one weekend, 2races... and it is over. I have missed 2 event wins by a freaking hair, one was a mental error, when someone bliped the lights and I just couldent understand why his red light did not come on, instead of just racing my race and having an easy win... blew that one. there would be 3 more points. and the other was just a good run where the other guy ran better, he had an .020 better reaction and I wheelied slightly about 100' out.. and ran off he beat me by .040 at the stripe, not close but close enough. that would be another 3 points.. so I should be 4 points ahead instead of 2 behind..... but I have 2 more chances to knock it out of the ballpark! it is really crazy being so close to a championship. very mentally draining! only 1 more week to wait. after I win(insert crossed fingers, wish on a shooting star, and anything else that will work here!) I will glad when this one is over...
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posted September 01, 2004 04:02 PM
Best of luck to you, Mike.
Yeah, well, don't forget about Billy's bet with us, Sherm. That was the big triumph for me. 
Nobody on the team second guesses folks and no one should hang a head. We all pull together - if we didn't we wouldn't be doing as well as we have.
Although we would like to do better, it's no one person's fault about 'stuff' - it just happens.
But we know better for next time.
At the beginning of the season I figured we'd be doing well to get in the top ten. But now we're scratching for a podium. Who would have thought? Not I.
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posted September 01, 2004 05:56 PM
I guess I can't leave out what was the driving force behind your and Michael's outstanding lap times, can I. It first requires a SHORT history on or most recent addition to the team. Billy is a "mid-40 something" psychologist from the Dallas area. He was added onto the team due to the facts that we were suffering from rider loss due to both injury and soon to be born children. At one point, it was looking like we might have just 3 riders for the 8 hour endurance race at TWS and not all of them would be at 100%. In steps Billy. Though he had raced many, many years ago, he had just gotten back into racing and was just doing sprints. He offered his "services" to the team and we took him up on his offer. We had no clue as to what we were getting into.
During his first race as part of the team at TWS, he was turning in lap times that were easily two seconds faster than any of the other riders. Even though he smoke cigarettes (none of the other riders do), drank Smirnoff Ice and stayed up too late the night before, he maintained a similar lap time gap during our next event at Hallett. He was also a "marathon man" by being able to stay out 10 to 20 minutes longer than the other riders. That was rather impressive. What wasn't so impressive was his "second day at the races" personal hygiene or his ability to pick up after himself.
While changing into his leathers inside the team's trailer, he committed one of the greatest "team sins". He left his street clothes, including a dirty pair of underwear, scattered about the floor of the trailer. No, no, no... this is NOT and is NEVER acceptable to the team manager. The team trailer is NOT anyone's personal laundry hamper. Each rider has their own gear bag and they are expected to use them. To compound this egregious sin, his underwear was starting to draw flies everytime the side door was opened. Not just one or two... DOZENS! I had no choice but to take immediate action in addressing this "problem". Not having any kind of bug spray available, I used the next best thing. Chain lube. About a 1/3 of a can's worth. Even after soaking the underwear in the sticky chain lube, the "damage" had been done. We couldn't get the flies out of the trailer. Luckily, we were leaving the same day and would not be forced to spend the night sharing the trailer with these insidious creatures. At that point, Billy had now become known as "Pigpen".
Fast forward to our most recent event.
Though Billy only lives about 40 minutes away from the track at Cresson, the team had already made the 5 1/2 hour drive and set everything up before he even arrived. True to form, Billy finally made his grand entrance, racing up in his Mini Copper and sliding it sideways up to the trailer. Since his underwear has become some sort of "team fixation", he jumps out of his Mini and promptly starts to shove a pair into Jonathan's face. I just hoped it was a "clean" pair. Naturally, Jonathan almost violently pushes Billy and his underwear away. After being so close to a podium finish in our last event, Billy though he had the perfect plan to "motivate" at least Jonathan and eventually Michael. His proposition was relatively simple. If Jonathan could get within 2 seconds of Billy's best lap time, Jonathan could shove his dirty underwear in Billy's face and he would be forced to "sniff" it. If Jonathan DIDN'T, Billy could do the same to Jonathan.
After a "brief" pause, Jonathan accepted the bet. Michael made the mistake of walking up to see what all the commotion was about and ended up becoming part of the bet as well. Actually, he wasn't going to accept, but after Billy gave him THREE seconds, instead of the two he gave Jonathan, I "accepted" for Michael. Now, they were both part of this disgusting "bet". When Michael started the second stint after Billy, not only did he MATCH Billy's best time, he BEAT it with a 1:26.728 versus Billy's 1:27.183. Michael was on his way to putting down an even lower track time, but then he crashed. Still, it now looked like Billy would have to do at least a 1:24:182 or be the recipient of Michael's underwear. Since Michael eats "so healthy", his "farts" alone are enough to cause us to stop the truck and bail out. I don't even want to imagine what his underwear would be like.
After getting the bike repaired, it was Jonathan's turn. Twenty-one laps into his stint, Jonathan turns in a blazing 1:25.991. Now it seemed that Billy was going to have to pull a 1:23.990 figuratively out of his ass or he'd be sniffing two pairs of underwear. One at a time, of course. Billy was starting to become obviously nervous and started demanding that we bring Jonathan in so he could get one last shot at avoiding becoming an "used underwear vacuum". I took great joy in reminding Billy that I could not bring Jonathan in until I was sure that we would be able to make it the rest of the way with one last gas stop. Luckily for both Billy and I, Jonathan eventually signaled that he was ready to come in. The reason it was lucky for me was due to the fact I had grown tired of Billy's antsy nagging to go back out.
After a few laps, things were not looking too good for Billy. Even after 30+ laps of averaging in the 1:27s, the best he could do was a 1:25.279. A far cry from the almost 1.5 seconds he'd need to shed off his times to keep a "clean face". Plus, I was figuring that the tires, which were the same ones we had started the race with, were starting to let go. During the "extended pit stop" after Michael's crash, we felt that there was no need to swap the rear tire with the scuffed one we had on the other side of the pit wall. Tensions in the pits started to rise as Billy continues to run 1:25s and his times were dropping. He eventually ran a 1:24.990, but was still a second off of getting under Jonathan's two second margin and over 0.7 second off on Michael's. Billy's times continued to hover around 1:25 to 1:26 for the next several laps and then "it" happened. There was still over 15 minutes left in the race and the low fuel light came on. His lap times slowly started going up after each successive lap. First into the 1:27s, then the 1:28s and eventually all the way up to a high 1:30. Billy was screwed. He gave a gallant effort against very long odds (breaking into the 1:23s was next to impossible at that stage of the race) and... he lost.
Early that night Billy was almost too eager to get the "ceremonial sniffing of the underwear" over with, but I would not have it. Even though it would have been a safe bet that Billy could produce a disgustingly pair of soiled briefs, I did not believe that neither Jonathan or Michael could produce a pair even remotely close to what surely was residing in Billy's gear bag. So, to "keep it fair", I have requested that both Jonathan and Michael return home and spend the next four weeks producing a pair of WHITE underwear that is sufficiently "soiled" and be worthy of such a bet. When all the team members gather at the next event at Oak Hill on Sept. 24th, the pairs of underwear will be presented and the bet will be completed. Though I have yet to figure out how I am going to do it, I will have to get close enough to Billy and insure that when he breathes in, he is not using his mouth. Gotta sniff 'em (deeply) via one's nose ONLY! I will not tolerate a "cheater" on our team.
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posted September 01, 2004 06:36 PM
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posted September 01, 2004 06:44 PM
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posted September 01, 2004 08:12 PM
Edited By: redelk on 1 Sep 2004 21:41
Just for reference purposes the fastest times per session from the Medium Superstock class ("/" - Pit Stop):
Winner: 1:24.792 / 1:29.757 / 1:26.051 / 1:24.061 / 1:28.949 / 1:25.392 / 1:26.902 - 237 laps Average: 1:31.40
Second: 1:26.895 / 1:27.148 / 1:24.726 / 1:27.951 / 1:28.956 / 1:23.725 / 1:24.462 - 237 laps Average: 1:31.24
Third: 1:33.591 / 1:26.743 / 1:26.563 / 1:24.589 / 1:27.378 - 228 laps Average: 134.99
Fourth: 1:26.891 / 1:24.928 / 1:23.743 / 1:26.050 / 1:26.852 / 1:23.947 / 1:25.336 / 1:27.797 - 192 laps Average: unknown
BMR: 1:27.183 / 1:26.728 / 1:25.991 / 1:24.990 - 187 laps Average: 1:33.94
Sixth: 1:37.987 / 1:34.636 / 1:36.066 / 1:41.658 / 1:31.180 / 1:31.636 - 181 laps Average: unknown
Seventh: 1:29.178 / 1:34.419 / 1:29.673 / 1:33.268 / 1:31.210 - 158 laps Average: 1:38.92
Had we not stumbled at the start (tire change) and lost the hour due to the crash, we would have had an approximatly 45 additional laps or a total of 232 and a podium. BUT... racing doesn't always work out that way, does it? Should have, could have, would have... just don't fit into the picture when there is still a race left in the season to be won!
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posted September 01, 2004 08:26 PM
I think XL & I need to come out to your next race. And I don't mean as a pit tootsie. Ya know, I never actually officially retired after Suzuka.... Just haven't been playing serious since then....
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posted September 01, 2004 08:30 PM
If ya'll come out, you better bring a '05 636 with ya or you'll be sleeping outside in Billy's tent! Okay, we'll settle for a slightly used '04. Since were running a '99 R6 (that's almost SIX years old in "bike years"), we could use a "fresher" bike, ya know?
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posted September 02, 2004 11:04 PM
Good story red.
Hell jon was wearing a different pair of mens dirty underwear every day under his helmet and over his head at the last DG event he came to.
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posted September 03, 2004 02:48 AM
oof.. heh
Thanks for the report sir, your team is proof that regular Joes (and Jons, Sherms etc) can do the racing thing and be competitive.
Best wishes on your bike cooperating with you in your last meet-up this year.
 
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posted September 03, 2004 03:30 AM
Harry - was that 'different pair' or 'different pair of mens' ?? 
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posted September 03, 2004 05:15 AM
good read Sherm... Keep up the good work!
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posted September 03, 2004 07:32 AM
Edited By: jonwright on 3 Sep 2004 08:33
Yo, K - man, we'd kill to have you and XL come down and hang out with us for a race. We'd even let ya take a ride on the 'rat bike'... You break, you buy.
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posted September 03, 2004 08:34 AM
jw - no can do on the "you break, you buy" (unless of course it's XL's nickel). Problem is, I can crash them with the best of um. Never a guarentee it won't happen. But I always try to make sure when a do take a soil or pavement sample, it's always on someone else's bike!!
That reminded me of a guy I use to ride for. He brought a beautiful racebike to the track and proceeded to remind me all through practice to bring it home in one piece. I told him if he said that to me one more time, I'd park it or plant it. Because when you put it on the track, it don't matter if it's worth a million dollars. If it's got two wheels, they all crash just as good as one that ain't worth shite. Well...... you can probably imagine what happened next........
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posted September 03, 2004 01:57 PM
....you stiffed him on the repair bill?
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Scooter
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posted September 03, 2004 06:32 PM
Sounds like fun Sherm. Keep it up. Where's the pics?
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aliveagain
Needs a life
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posted September 03, 2004 06:54 PM
What was that,fruit of the loons?
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I wondered why the baseball kept getting bigger. Then it hit me.
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