Rob Hughes
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posted June 25, 2004 08:29 PM
1000 SuperSport ZX10 Dyno runs
Heres a dyno for a 1000 Supersport drag bike we just built up.
The Blue line is stock.Blue line.
The Red line is TiForce full system with a "borrowed" map and gasoline.
The green line is Pipe, PC111 custom mapped for race fuel and ceramic wheel bearings.
Healthy huh? More than 16hp in SS trim and the engine hasn't been touched at all.
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Rob Hughes
Orient Express
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NY 516-546-5232
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BackMarker
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posted June 25, 2004 09:12 PM
Sweet Numbers.....
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posted June 25, 2004 11:57 PM
MR9 Fuel?
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theturboeffect
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posted June 26, 2004 12:13 PM
yeah what kind of fuel Rob? And do you think the ceramic bearing made much of a difference?
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Michael Lee
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posted June 26, 2004 12:41 PM
Nice numbers, did'nt know too much about upgrading the bearings until I read a Big Daddy post, is this a common thing? Thanks for sharing.
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drowland
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posted June 26, 2004 05:49 PM
Rob do the wheel bearings really make a difference?
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Rob Hughes
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posted June 27, 2004 05:21 AM
In SuperSport (well, before the jackass new ECU rule) every .0001 ment something...so if you didn't have them you were behind the guys who were winning and had them.
Before working for Orient Express I worked for a lubricant company and supplied some of the then 600 SS guys pure liquid teflon lube for bearings and the chain...the stuff was like $10 an ounce, but it was slippery as $hit and those guy swore by it.
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Scott_in_FL
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posted June 28, 2004 07:52 AM
How can I get some of those bearings for my SS bike? Are you guys distributing them? If so, pm me re: price/details. Thanks in advance.
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MAYHEM
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posted June 28, 2004 01:03 PM
 Edited By: MAYHEM on 28 Jun 2004 14:06
you can get ceramic bearings from worldwide wheel bearings. they come in race and street. the only difference between the two is that the street is packed with grease and have dust seals.
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posted June 28, 2004 01:11 PM
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zeta xray
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posted June 28, 2004 03:42 PM
I was at a track day this weekend and some folks showed up with a portable dyno. Since it was raining cats and dogs and no one was riding, we arranged an informal shoot out. Now I know that dyno numbers are only good for comparison if the runs are on the same day under the same conditions. So I have the results for 2 box stock zx10's, 1 box stock CBR1000RR and 1 '04 Yamaha R1 with the cat removed. All of these were run virtually back to back on a Dynojet dyno.
ZX10 blue 149.6 hp 75.5 ft/lbs torque
ZX10 green 148.8 hp 74.8 ft/lbs
R1 (no cat) 148.2 hp 71.3 ft/lbs
CBR1000RR 142.7 hp 74.0 ft/lbs
The dyno operator said that the difference in the 2 ZX10's was probably due to the blue one having lighter oil. And that was exactly the case. The blue was broken in hard and was using 10w-40 motor oil. The green was broken in by the book (really) and was using 15w-50 motor oil.
In spite of the fact that there were several '03 and '04 Suzuki's present, none would do the dyno. Even modified ones. One race prepped '02 GIK owner did get his bike dynoed. I did not see it, but the operator said his peak hp was 142.0. Some other runs that I saw were a Micron hi piped equiped '02 or '03 R1 that came in just a hair under 130 hp and a RC51 with full Akrapovic system put out 114.
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k bryant
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posted June 28, 2004 03:55 PM
#'s look pretty much in line. No surprises.
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salsa1
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posted June 29, 2004 04:03 AM
Nice report zeta xray.
Have fun; stay alive.....
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Zammy
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posted June 29, 2004 04:42 AM
Just out of curiosity... if the lube and bearings can make a measurable difference, how about over inflated tires , rolling resistance .I know softer flatter is better out of the hole .
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Rob Hughes
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posted June 29, 2004 07:37 AM
Sure lots of sketchy dyno shops will underinflate your bike when you come in and baseline and overinflate it for the final runs......don't know exactly what its worth but I bet it's more than nothing.
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k bryant
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posted June 29, 2004 07:47 AM
I've seen readings vary plus 1 or 2 hp with a heavier rider, sitting farther back on the bike and/or an over-inflated tire. The key is consistency. Thatz all. Keep as many factors the same as humanly possible.
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posted June 29, 2004 07:52 AM
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MR9 Fuel?
I'm wondering bucause there can be a smuch as 8 hp in the fuel alone.
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Rob Hughes
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posted June 29, 2004 07:00 PM
I asked my techs about this and I guess I read the notes wrong (or couldn't read the cryptic messages all mechanics know).
The middle run was without any map at all, yet still race fuel not gasoline.
Both gasoline and race fuel give similar results without a PC3 to map it...pipe alone 9-11 hp.
The race fuel is worth between 3 to 5hp when mapped correctly. Yes MR9 on this bike.
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Orient Express
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NY 516-546-5232
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posted June 29, 2004 10:46 PM
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=1&TID=8204
I'm not sure if this link will work. But in July '03, I did some pretty extensive tests of VP race fuels using my ZX12 and posted on the ZX12 site. In particular Ultimate 4, MR1, & MR9. Your results may vary, but MR9 was worth well over 7 hp as compared to pump gas just pouring it in with no other changes to the existing set-up. And when using other "mystery" mixes with the race team, it's worth more. But the costs are prohibitive...
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posted June 30, 2004 07:36 AM
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I asked my techs about this and I guess I read the notes wrong (or couldn't read the cryptic messages all mechanics know).
The middle run was without any map at all, yet still race fuel not gasoline.
Both gasoline and race fuel give similar results without a PC3 to map it...pipe alone 9-11 hp.
The race fuel is worth between 3 to 5hp when mapped correctly. Yes MR9 on this bike.
Cool, thanks.
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