tramsey
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posted June 21, 2004 04:12 AM
zx10 break in
I am breaking in my 10 by the book but it's killing me. Do most of you take it all the way to 1k miles before you have free will?
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floyd
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posted June 21, 2004 05:16 AM
I did but thats just me.At 1019 miles I went to the dragstrip but before that I followed the book
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bovinespongiformencephalo
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posted June 21, 2004 07:06 AM
Took me about 15 miles to break mine in. After seeing what a complete waste of time the "book" method was, I've been using this guys method for the last few years:
mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
Like he says, it's controversial. For me, the allure of having the bike broken in on the way home from the dealer, changing oil and tires, and going out the next weekend to flog it is irresistable.
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fish_antlers
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posted June 21, 2004 08:14 AM
 Edited By: fish_antlers on 21 Jun 2004 09:14
Oh God.. here we go again....  tramsey.. this topic has been discussed to DEATH on this site... take it from the administration here and the industry professionals who post here .. follow the guidelines set out in the owner's manual....
sure you can break it in differently... but think about it this way... if Honda's racing team "break's it in hard" and then toasts the engine, do you think they are going to file a warranty claim to try to get it repaired?
Bovine... I feel great sadness for your engine....
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k bryant
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posted June 21, 2004 12:42 PM
998 miles before I let her fully rip.
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bovinespongiformencephalo
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posted June 21, 2004 08:50 PM
My engine loves you too.  I wonder why nobody ever posts about how they did it mototune stylee and it broke? Maybe because it works? But you're right, if some guy and a book agree, that must be the way to go.
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DB
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posted June 21, 2004 10:23 PM
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998 miles before I let her fully rip.
Yes, it's hard to do it by the book but at least you'll have a warranty if it fails anyways.
That's why I buy new bikes. That way I know how it's been broke in and maintained. Just a little piece of mind
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fish_antlers
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posted June 21, 2004 10:25 PM
To bovine and anyone else who may wonder about this topic... the manufacturer has conveniently provided very specific break in instructions so that you will receive the maximum performance from your new motorcycle.
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worm~hole
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posted June 21, 2004 10:45 PM
...Sweet Baby Jesus would follow the book's instructions...
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bovinespongiformencephalo
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posted June 22, 2004 07:43 AM
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To bovine and anyone else who may wonder about this topic... the manufacturer has conveniently provided very specific break in instructions so that you will receive the maximum performance from your new motorcycle.
Yes, and they also conveniently provide the mph you should shift at, the interval for oil changes, and a few other directions you would never follow. Mototune has a lot of compelling arguments, the detractors have a lot of unsubstantiated blather.
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salsa1
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posted June 22, 2004 08:12 AM
Edited By: salsa1 on 22 Jun 2004 13:58
DKET also did it mototune way on a dyno hehehehehe. nuff said.... DKET your cool!
manufacturer offers very little specifics . I can't figure or really care(anymore) why folks insist on a method (by the book) not specified at all? . ah well ... forget it, mine is broken in and runs perfect.
I believe I have a ringer and book sucks.. book (owners manual) needs a lot more guidlines and instructions or more people would comply without question ;that should be obvious.
whatever ;be happy....
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big daddy
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posted June 22, 2004 01:02 PM
compelling arguments but thats where it ends as the method is lame.
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bovinespongiformencephalo
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posted June 22, 2004 01:50 PM
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compelling arguments but thats where it ends as the method is lame.
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Thank you for illustrating my point about the unsubstantiated blather. Lame? Is that a technical term? You have some data to share? A little theory? Can you at least come up with a fucking anecdote?
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posted June 22, 2004 03:25 PM
Just one more opinion from a previous post to consider. 
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Guys, everyone has an opinion on this subject and we've hashed this out many times.
#1 - It's your bike, you paid for it. Break it in as you see fit.
#2 - The most reliable expert on this subject Kawasaki. The other "experts" can debate all day long, but they are not the designers, manufacture, or builder of this particular engine. A state-of-the-art engine designed to run trouble free for 10's of thousands of miles.
#3 - Race engines are a completely different breed and designed for "X" amount of hours before tear-down. Don't confuse the two.
#4 - Try to determine the difference between a "opinion" by some, and an expert's tangible advice from another.
#5 - My "expert" advice - Break it in by Kawasaki's recomendation.
#6 - And most important, refer to #1 if you disagree. 
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zeta xray
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posted June 22, 2004 06:59 PM
The break in was truly a pain in the butt. Then, when I had 3500 miles on my bike, a friend bought his new ZX10 so I went through the whole BS again with him. I resisted the urge to romp on it in an effort to set a good example.
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posted June 22, 2004 09:46 PM
With all due respect to K Bryant, those tech types at Kaw don't operate in a vacuum. They can no more recommend the most effective break-in than Jardine can sell the most effective exhaust. Constraints external to performance criteria pervert the process.
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big daddy
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posted June 23, 2004 02:15 AM
yeah Ok,,pffftttt!
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salsa1
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posted June 23, 2004 04:11 AM
Edited By: salsa1 on 23 Jun 2004 06:56
I motion to legislate selective hearing as legal and profitable. Oh yea it is, it's called:
"I DONT HEAR YOU" LALALALALALALALALALALALALA
book don't say diddly squat on break-in. much less a method.... procedure listed applies to electric scooters....
Not to worry Just another log for this unsettled topic ;please carry on by the book?!!??!!!?
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posted June 23, 2004 06:47 AM
bovine.... no offence, but I happen to not only know where KB works, but als where big daddy works... I'd say you'd best listen to them if yer wise...
let's put it this way... these members arent back-yard mechanics or wannabes.
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bovinespongiformencephalo
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posted June 23, 2004 07:31 AM
No thanks. We'd still be living in caves if we didn't question conventional wisdom, authority, and "the book." I'll keep using the mototune method till something better comes along or I find fault with it. You should appreciate that some of us are willing to take risks and learn new things. Don't knock it till you try it, ok?
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fish_antlers
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posted June 23, 2004 07:32 AM
uh.... dude... WAKE UP.... you have the factory (in this very thread) telling you you're wrong.
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posted June 23, 2004 08:20 AM
Follow the book the motor will last longer. Another thing is if you are asking this question for your own safety break it in right so you get use to it! Yeah you may here these stories of people saying "I never broke it in and it rides fine." Once in a blue moon MAYBE, but otherwise they dont have the bike long enough to see long term effects.
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pmkin10r
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posted June 23, 2004 08:45 AM
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No thanks. We'd still be living in caves if we didn't question conventional wisdom, authority, and "the book." I'll keep using the mototune method till something better comes along or I find fault with it. You should appreciate that some of us are willing to take risks and learn new things. Don't knock it till you try it, ok?
Dude, get a clue. The manufacturer knows more about their product(s) then anyone else. If that wern't the case, you'd have more things like consumer lawsuits.
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worm~hole
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posted June 23, 2004 09:08 AM
its all about cya...if you were a manufacturer, you'd set oem guidlines for the end-user to follow, too...makes it somewhat easier to determine the validity of warranty claims...otherwise the supastuntas and supasquids of the world would have a field day and 'get' a new bike every freekin' week!...imagine if YOU were the manufacturer...what would YOU do???...something to ponder in our Monday morning quarterback armchair...
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salsa1
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posted June 23, 2004 09:56 AM
Edited By: salsa1 on 23 Jun 2004 12:05
Consider along with all the "deductions" posted that who is given the decision in a court of law is who can present the best case ;be it for or against. Not who has the most paid or experienced lawyers in their corner.
In other word whats your hard evidence ??.
We all get to be the jury of our ZX-10R; thats fair and even.
Medical profession has changed "FACTS" on whats good and bad for the human body with a lot more research and a lot more at stake....
Bovine you have some leadership qualities.
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