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posted May 31, 2004 06:21 PM
After 1200 miles The bike came ALIVE!
Alright! Im not a rookie when it comes to bikes. Ive had 8 new bikes in the past 9 years. NO 600 or 750's all real bikes.I know after you get some miles on her that she makes some more power but not like this. I hit 1200 miles and its like a switch has been thrown and and a extra cylinder has kicked in. Is it possible that there is some safety break in precautions on this bike that makes the bike make fewer ponies till 1200 miles?????? Getting her dynoed on Tues June 1st and adding the Ti Force system and getting her mapped at a Tuning center. Will post results..
   
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jake76
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posted May 31, 2004 06:52 PM
Since when are 600's and 750's not real bikes?
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posted May 31, 2004 06:59 PM
Hey jake, it takes all kinds doesn't it?
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posted May 31, 2004 08:13 PM
600's ROCK on the track  .
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posted May 31, 2004 08:16 PM
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Hey jake, it takes all kinds doesn't it?
I guess so. Hell, today's 600's are pushing over 100 ponies. Maybe I'm just showing my 27 years of age by thinking that's quite a bit. 
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posted May 31, 2004 08:19 PM
Don't worry about it. They're real bikes. They're just tiddlers.... 
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big daddy
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posted May 31, 2004 08:25 PM
If i were able to afford another bike for strictly track it would be a 600.
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posted May 31, 2004 10:29 PM
...a ZX-6RR for me 
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drowland
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posted June 01, 2004 04:39 AM
Maybe 600 are real bikes but just real slow bikes. Why would you buy a freaking 600 bike when hell you now can buy a liter bike that weighs the same or less? Unless you are racing in a 600 class? Unless you are a broke as kid with no dough!
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big daddy
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posted June 01, 2004 06:57 AM
drowland
Please check out some AMA 600ss lap times vs their much larger displaced bros, ie Superstock liter bikes and i believe you will find 600's are NOT SLOW comparatively speaking in the right hands.
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posted June 01, 2004 07:22 AM
They are actually faster in Supersport form, than in FX form. More HP & Slicks do not necessarily equate to faster times in this class....
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posted June 01, 2004 07:33 AM
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Maybe 600 are real bikes but just real slow bikes. Why would you buy a freaking 600 bike when hell you now can buy a liter bike that weighs the same or less? Unless you are racing in a 600 class? Unless you are a broke as kid with no dough!
...because:
1)Easier and more managable power delivery to the road surface, two wheels stay on the surface equals more effecient forward movement equals better entry/exit speeds equals better lap times
2)A great rider on a great 600 will spank a bad rider on a great 1000....e-v-e-r-y-t-i-m-e
3)If you're a great rider on a great 600 and you spank a bad rider on a great 1000, the bad rider will have penis envy for the rest of his life...not all of us can actually harness or control a 1000 the way the pros do it and we're probably better off on a 600...and ultimate top-speeds on public straights only get you to sign autographs for the cops...and not your adoring race fans
4)Hookers dig it
...still, I bought one because I just wanted to and can...not because I can really ride it like the pros or spank a great rider on a great 600...
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posted June 01, 2004 07:45 AM
Well said.
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lrg
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posted June 01, 2004 10:10 AM
I agree love to pick up a six for a track bike. Don't have to worry about the front end lifting constantly, a lot easier to be smooth.
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posted June 01, 2004 01:54 PM
BACK TO THE MAIN TOPIC:
I've heard that the CBR600RR had a timing retard built in for the first 1000 miles to limit power during break-in. Maybe the ZX has the same???
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posted June 01, 2004 02:09 PM
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a)...and how is that possible?...would it be like a virus in the ECU that unleashes itself at 1000 miles?...that would be pretty engenious and sophisticated even now...
b)...could it be something more simplistic, in that an engine's power just gets better and better as it breaks in and seats itself?...
c)...or how about something never mentioned here before: that the perception of the rider who was explicit with the break-in instructions...always feeling the potential of the beast, never crossing the line to get there, but knows that its there for sure...and after weeks of retraint (or days for those who can afford to ride 24/7) unleashes the beast and feels what he thought was always there and then some?
d) hookers
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posted June 01, 2004 03:25 PM
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...and how is that possible?...would it be like a virus in the ECU that unleashes itself at 1000 miles?...that would be pretty engenious and sophisticated even now...
It really wouldn't be that difficult or complicated. Ever look at the programming in an automotive computer? Now THAT'S some engenious and sophisticated stuff.
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...or how about something never mentioned here before: that the perception of the rider who was explicit with the break-in instructions...always feeling the potential of the beast, never crossing the line to get there, but knows that its there for sure...and after weeks of retraint (or days for those who can afford to ride 24/7) unleashes the beast and feels what he thought was always there and then some?
Could be, but I'm really hoping not. . . I'm at 1150 miles and have beating on it for a while now.
Mine actually feels slower lately due to the onset recent 90 degree days. 2nd gear wheelies are waaay out of the question now.
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drowland
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posted June 01, 2004 05:54 PM
Well Got my pipe on and Dyno today. Had a custom map for The Ti Force by a Dynojet Tuning center. Went up a whole 11 ponies from stock. The throttle response is so much better than stock also has more torque down low. This bike is allot faster than a Hayabusa ZX12R and The GSXR1000 with the same set up Full system, PC111. Oh by the way the Ti Force is lighter than the AKRO and the build quality seems to be better also and its a hell of lot cheaper these days!
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posted June 01, 2004 08:12 PM
starting to sound far fetched. I'm thinking on the lines of worm (boy is that scarey)
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posted June 01, 2004 08:17 PM
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starting to sound far fetched. I'm thinking on the lines of worm (boy is that scarey)
...hey mr. no fear!...so is it b) or c)...?
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posted June 01, 2004 09:34 PM
both 'B' and 'C' - a little of both
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posted June 12, 2004 09:14 AM
It was starting to sound like a 600 forum here for a while. I remember when my zx9r broke in it at about 3000 km . I bought it when it had 2300 km . The previous owner used it for highway trips and never really got on the pipe with it. So when I got it was not fully broke in . what a difference
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posted June 12, 2004 03:59 PM
This thread is getting a bit dogmatic . The 10R will hold its own on what its built to do. At the risk of prepetuating said dogma: no, I don't think it will spank a comparably equipped 'Busa or 12 in a raw speed contest (I agree the 10 could compete and win against a GSXR 1000). Now, if one were to say the 10R would beat any bike in a handling contest, hell yeah, my money is on the 10R. Maybe I'm misreading what "10 is faster" means. Faster in the canyons or faster top speed or faster .25 mile?
To avoid being dogmatic, here's my warrant to support my claim.
First, the Busa and 12 are geared for higher speeds. Do the math, the 10 comes out short. Swap out some sprockets, etc, and maybe we can start talking, but remember, this is ceteris paribus (holding all else equal), so any gain a 10 gets a Busa or 12 would get, too.
Secondly, the Busa and the 12 have a lot more raw power. The numbers speak for themselves here. I ride canyons with a friend that has a Busa, and I hang no problem. But this is where the 10 excels. He'll take me to the cleaners on the straights above 120. I know, I have ridden his bike.
Third, look at the professional drag racers (raw speed wins here)--you won't see 10Rs. You see Busas and 12s with turbos, etc, etc. They'll be some guys on 10s with extended swingarms, but that makes me sad. The 10R wants to be free, not a straight line raw speed cycle!!!!!
Finally, Kawi engineers will tell you (as will any other educated engineer): no bike can be the speed king of everything. Your gearing either makes your acceleration and breaks (or atleast robs you of) top speed, or vice versa. It's all about trade off. The 10R is not designed to shoot for the 'Busa or the 12. It woops the other liter bikes. It does one thing, and does it very well. And, it's pretty fast in a straight line, too, but that's not what it's for.
Anyway, back to the topic. I agree the ZX10R ages well through 1500 miles. I noticed a performance difference, but then again, it could be me being more willing to flog it since I know the bike better than when I first drove it off the showroom floor. Didn't dyno, so I don't have numbers, so this is pure speculation.
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posted June 12, 2004 06:51 PM
I wanted a dogmatic but they only had them in orange . Orange is nice but my buddy got an orange one 2 weeks b4 me and its a standard too.
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posted June 12, 2004 06:55 PM
I used to have a dogmatic till it bit me. Took it to the pound...
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