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posted May 27, 2004 09:42 AM
I can say that the KMC unit is SWEET and it simply does not get easier to install. You'll have to contact them (or maybe XL) for the entire tech run-down, as I was acting only as a mere tool....
Short version - Took bone stocker baselines. Installed, well... lets call it brand "X" exhaust system. Took readings. Removed seat, unplugged the stocker, installed the new one. Took baselines. Hooked up the laptop. The "programer/tuner" (who will remain nameless), went through all kinds of perameters on the fuel curve & timing. Then did throttle positions. Several runs later, he had a map that was "good to go"! All I can tell you is the thing is very cool. The map was very sweet. And it appeared to be very easy to work with.
In fairness, I think we need to get some readings with a Dynojet unit as well for comparision
   
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posted May 27, 2004 09:45 AM
OUCH!!!!...that's con enough for me...that's like buyin' about four PCs plus tax and license...whew!...I think I'll keep my arms and my legs...the stock 10R with a sweet slip-on will be plenty enough for me....
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posted May 27, 2004 09:47 AM
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posted May 27, 2004 10:01 AM
...unless I really really need to out-brag the brag-racers...HEY WOW!!!!...I just coined a new term..."BRAG-RACERS" (copyrighted right here, right now...also...www.bragracing.com is king's x)...but I don't want to hijack this thread, so I'll take it elsewhere
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posted May 27, 2004 10:21 AM
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BRAG-RACING
*ooops...I f'd up..I edited and moved this post to bikeland.org site*
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posted May 27, 2004 10:29 AM
I like it!
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posted May 27, 2004 11:08 AM
two things...
1. Everything I've read about the PowerCommander implies that you can easily unhook it from the bike in order to connect it to your computer and upload maps. I assumed that situation is what the 9V adapter was for. Is there really no way to just unplug the wires from the side of the PowerCommander?
2. With regards to mounting location, why don't you just ditch the tool-kit and mount it facing backwards in that slot? Come on... you don't really need those tools 
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posted May 27, 2004 11:15 AM
The intent of the 9v battery is to program with the bike still off--you can't disconnect any cables from the PCIII--if you don't use the 9v then you have to have the bike running while your doing uploading/dloading/programming.....
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posted May 27, 2004 10:27 PM
When you program the unit you dont physically remove it from the bike, you use a USB cable to connect it to the computer. It's very straight forward, same with the older powercommander versions. I never got the impression you were supposed to remove the powercommander to program it.. part of the deal is that you NEED telemetry with the bike in order for you to program it and gather data from the bike (ie tps etc)
bovine... I saw the "ringers" you speak of... the trunk was just as tiny as the one I own... in fact you can ask XL himself... I took the toolkit out of the "ringer" bike and left it on the workbench at KMC before my ride just so I could fit my camera in the back.
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posted May 28, 2004 11:24 AM
atention all you do not have to cut your bike if you run your wires the way your suppost to JACKASS JACKASS JACKASS
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posted May 28, 2004 12:18 PM
from the dynojet website:
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*9V "Power Up" adapter
Every PCIII USB comes with a "power up" adapter which allows users to program and interface with the Power Commander on their desktop without being connected to the bike.
this is what made me think it was easily removed for programming.
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posted May 28, 2004 12:24 PM
Edited By: guamaniac on 28 May 2004 13:28
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atention all you do not have to cut your bike if you run your wires the way your suppost to JACKASS JACKASS JACKASS
What the hell is this all about.... and who you calling a jackass...man gotta love the internet tough guys... Anyways, depending on what bike--some can operate while the bike is off but in the on position both key and kill switch--others have to have the bike turned on for it to work--and um, there is only one way to hook up the wires so someone hooking it up wrong would be pretty much impossible... So you either use the 9v with PC III mounted and bike off or PCIII with bike on...
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posted May 28, 2004 12:27 PM
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from the dynojet website:
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*9V "Power Up" adapter
Every PCIII USB comes with a "power up" adapter which allows users to program and interface with the Power Commander on their desktop without being connected to the bike.
this is what made me think it was easily removed for programming.
Yeah, you can program the PCIII on the desktop this way (usually done when you first get it)...but once you put it on the bike...you would have to disconnect everything to program it or leave everything connected and either used the 9v or power up the bike to program.... I'm with you though...it would be cool to have some kind of quick disconnect...
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posted May 29, 2004 08:15 AM
Edited By: fish_antlers on 29 May 2004 15:53
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atention all you do not have to cut your bike if you run your wires the way your suppost to JACKASS JACKASS JACKASS
Pardon me? Perhaps you either
a) dont own a PC yet or
b) cant read instructions...
NOWHERE in the instructions does it tell you where or how to run the wire. So "10inMS", you tell us where you're "supposed" to run the wire? I'd love to know...
the only alternative to trimming that piece of bodywork is pulling the battery tray to get the harness and it's connectors under the frame rail.
BTW..."10inMS" , this is what the "instructions" say:
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FROM INSTALL INSTRUCTIONS:
11. Attach the ground wire from the PCIII to the negative side of the battery.
12. Install the PCIII in the tail section of the bike. Use the supplied alcohol swab to clean both surfaces before attaching the velcro.
Look... accroding to the instructions you're in the front part of the bike, them suddenly you're working in the tail tail section.
So .. like I said.. above pictured is the route I took... it's logical, clean and "as the crow flies" and it doesn't rub or pinch anywhere.
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posted May 29, 2004 03:46 PM
f-a, i certainly won't be calling anyone a jackass, however, i did route the cable w/ no cutting or removal of other parts. mounting wise, i velcroed it in the rear compartment of the trunk w/ the ports facing forward. had no probs connecting the cables to it for tuning.
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posted May 29, 2004 03:52 PM
Edited By: fish_antlers on 29 May 2004 18:46
rfish... can you specify how you routed the cable? I'm sure there are 1000's of ways to route it... although I imagine most would be far more difficult than the route I used... Please take a picture or describe what route you took as I am curious...
Also... I know that you can velcro it in the trunk diagonally or ditch he toolkit and move it around etc, but it just doest work as well as the undermount hinge setup on the 12R... honestly I dont really think it cuts it ... kinda lame IMHO to have it velcro'd anywhere.
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posted May 29, 2004 07:24 PM
i mounted the box flat against the back wall of the trunk. A quick note, this positioning allows for access to the USB port w/ no problem, however, the 9V adapter lock release pin will be on the bottom, so youd have to pull the box up to remove it. Not a prob for me, as mine was tuned on the dyno w/ bike running, for those do it your selfers, that may be a pain. Anyway, ran the cable out of the trunk along the outside of the subframe rail. crossed over the top of the rail right next to the fuse box. continued along inside of rail, picked up batt neg, under rear tank mount (i lied, i did have to remove something else, sorry), then on to the nightmare to release connectors. that main plug is a biatch! velcro seemed like the easiest solution. having never owned a 12R, i am not familiar w/ the undermount hinge, a link perhaps? sounds interesting. my wife is out of town w/ our dig cam or id take a few pictures, sorry bout that. i do like the route you took w/ the cables, though, very clean. theres not much room to do anything on this bike.
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posted May 30, 2004 09:35 AM
I see... honestly I didn feel safe crossing over top of that rail at that point... I looked at it closely and felt it was better to trim the hidden part of the boywork. Seems like a potential pinchpoint to me... I've been "schooled" many a time by our contact at DJ about the failure rates of the PC's and the extremely high % attributed to damaged harnesses (so with almost "imperceivable" damage) ... .Thanks for telling us where you ran it...
People are free to do whatever they want but I feel much safer with the route I took..
If I were you I'd take a very very close look at how all the pieces fit together rfish and check if there is any pressure at all on the PC harness or any possible contact points ...think: landing a wheelie hard or bottoming out your suspension... these are the sort of random occurances that could bring 2 partsd of the bike closer together than you might think and could crush the cable even a small amount...
just my 2$ werth.
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posted July 22, 2004 07:05 PM
Fish--
how about some info on improvements on the bike.
I just got my PCIII in the mail today.
My buddy with a GSXR1000 says I don't have much to gain on my bike with the PCIII as I only have a slip-on.
I will buy the aircleaner whenever it becomes advailable.
I thought that the bikes come a bit too lean from the factory (for emmisions) and fattening it up some had somes gains to be found.
Let me know.
Thanks!
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posted July 22, 2004 08:31 PM
Every bike is different. Gixxer 1000's don't get a peak HP boost from a PC3. 10R's might. As to how they come from the factory, if the stock map on the DJ website is any guide, WFO at redline is spot on, and they alternate rich and lean everywhere else. The PC3 alone is not going to net you any peak power, it doesn't change that part of the fueling enough to notice.
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posted July 22, 2004 08:33 PM
so is the general consensus this a good mod to purchase?
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posted July 22, 2004 09:45 PM
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posted July 22, 2004 10:07 PM
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Not for someone who's given up on changing their oil themselves...
why not support your local motorcycle shop?
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posted July 22, 2004 10:19 PM
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Not for someone who's given up on changing their oil themselves...
Ouch.....be nice swft.
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why not support your local motorcycle shop?
Anybody who buys a slip-on to hold him over until his full pipe arrives apparently has too much money. I was thinking horn, you could probably pay someone to ride it for you also.
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posted July 23, 2004 12:17 PM
Damn, DB - first you tell swft to be nice, then you slam him your self?
FWIW, I plan on getting a Powercommander for Christmas. That's my plan...
Now I just have to wait
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