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posted May 25, 2004 04:51 AM
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hold up on full exhaust systems
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posted May 25, 2004 04:55 AM
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The reason that I heard of is that the 10 this year has an exhaust similar to the r1. IT has a valve in the the exhaust controlled by the ecu. This valve helps make more power as well as keep emissions in check. The dealer told me not to f#$% with a whole exhaust. By a slip on or an exhaust that is added "after" the valve.
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posted May 25, 2004 05:19 AM
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posted May 25, 2004 05:53 AM
Well Im sure most companies have a production run of pipes.... and want to see where the economies of scale are going to dictate what a sufficient # is to produce vs profit.
At the $1800 price Akra wants for their full system... I have no doubt they'd be first to market.
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posted May 25, 2004 10:37 AM
dket, i think u'r mistaken on people's desire for full systems vs slipons. there are alot of people on this site that want a full system, but i see so many people out of the street with just slipons. i suspect what it comes down to is the people riding bikes for image, and there are ALOT fo them, just want the slipon to look cool. they have no interest in spending more money to get more power. hell, if people were that interested in power, then 600s wouldnt be the best selling class of sportbike.
as to the time to produce, i'm not exactly in the industry but here are a couple issues i know and woudl assume.
1. they have to get a bike first. for some reason this seems to take forever quite often. no idea why, but i'v often seen customers taking delivery long before the exhaust company gets theirs. weird.
2. a full system is gonna take alot of work to produce. making prototype headers has got to take forever. it's a jigsaw puzzle where you have to make the pieces. then u have to make several of them as u put them all on teh dyno and test them over and over... likely some time devoted to real world testing jsut liek the manufacturer does, to make sure the thing doesnt fall apart from vibration etc.
3. a slipon system, while undoubtedly easier, still liekly takes a while to design an spipe which fits correctly.
4. once either system is built, you have to create jigs or otherwise set up your production line & tooling.
i'm sure there are a whole buncha other steps they have to go thru too. that's the problem of trying to produce something as a business: it takes WAY more work than doing the exact same thing as a one man informal operation.
nevertheless, i am sometimes a bit surprised they dont get things out sooner too.
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posted May 25, 2004 11:10 AM
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posted May 25, 2004 03:01 PM
Akra Carbon / Stainless is around $1300 and is listed on their site to be lighter than the factory system by a little under 2lbs. Looks sweet and sounds sweeter. Got to wait till wife gets home to go on maiden voyage. Only bitttcch on the install was messing with those springs, could not find my spring puller.
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posted May 25, 2004 03:54 PM
Edited By: k bryant on 25 May 2004 16:56
Freek - you're very much on the right track.
dket - I don't recall seeing you here on any of the Saturday or Sunday flogs. 2100 hours. Please..... We do all nighters routinely.
And while it may take 2 hours to test the S-Bends noted, it can take weeks to get it designed, vectored, prototyped, tooling/fixtures, bom's done, bom's ordered, scheduled through production, etc.... And all the while, continuing to build a vast array of other components and/or products. For Sportbikes, I primarily focus on Slip-Ons because "most" of our demograhic shows these and Bolt-Ons far outsell full systems. Our full system focus is primarily with Team Honda. And I can tell you, it can take weeks to fabricate a single system simply to test. The companies like Muzzy, Akro, etc., do a great job juggling production on all the complete systems they have to make. It's a very complex task.
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posted May 26, 2004 04:41 AM
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posted May 26, 2004 04:51 AM
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posted May 26, 2004 06:04 AM
"Does anyone see Jardine or K. Bryant in the original post ??? Anyone ?"
No, not by name. However, you mention "exhaust fellas" and their companies. K Bryant just got lumped into your category and therefore should reply as if personally mentioned. DKET, you make a lot of very broad accusations with seemingly little to back it up, then you just bitch cause everyone is mad at you. Gimme a break, already. Just out of curiosity, what kind of exhaust DO you like? You have given us your opinions of Jardine and Hindle, both of which I disagree with BTW, so what do you like? Obviously not a slip-on. Oh, and i run an Arrow full system, just so you know. Also, Im not mad at you at all, just commenting on what i read.
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posted May 26, 2004 07:09 AM
Edited By: worm~hole on 26 May 2004 08:18
...ok... was going to stay outta this one, but...GAME FACE ON...dket...you never answered my question about your motorcycle or exhaust credentials...or GB's question on how you became a Colonel in nine years of service with the military (hell, we don't even know WHICH military service you were in let alone which country served)...yet you post as though seemingly well versed in the field...this may be cyberspace, and fun is fun, but we're also talking about some serious equipment here that don't suffer fools lightly...maybe you're attempt at playing devil's advocate needs fine tuning?...now THIS is your so-called 'call out'...speak up or shut up...give us verifiable facts about your findings...one-time experience and being disgruntled aboaut 'something' don't count...repeatable results hold more water...its all about credibility here...otherwise you're right, they're just your opinions...everyone has at least one...however, piss off enough people here and your opinions don't mean shit...but hey, THIS is MY opinion...get a grip, pal 
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posted May 26, 2004 09:26 AM
what the hell are all of you getting so worked up about? If you don't like slipons, buy a full system. If you're not satisfied with any of the full systems available, or impatient for your favorite manufacturer to come out with one, build your own and start your own company where you can work 24/7. dket- you said that you read people's complaints about this daily.... well, they need to stop complaining and either develop some patience or buy something else. I think we would all be better off if everyone stuck to giving information that they have first hand knowledge of. Just my 2 cents....
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posted May 26, 2004 09:28 AM
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posted May 26, 2004 09:47 AM
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I served the United States of America . I go to work so you can go to work . That of course will not make sense to you as nothing I write does . You guys sit back and have the luxury to bad mouth or criticize any uniformed service member . That is not a wise practice .
...for the record, I've read the entire post (and all of your recent posts that I could search)...we're having a public disagreement here...and I guess, a call-out...dude, you assume too much about some people...but I want you to re-read that particular sentence in the above paragraph that I've bolded for you...you spew a pompous declaration about bad-mouthing, yet????...seems you do the same about the exhaust industry...get off your high horse, pal...there are enough mililtary and former military people here to know the score about the military...I'm not impressed with your threat of criticizing a uniformed service member...hell, if you're a real service member, all it takes is a well placed call to any service member's command by the right person and the bullshit stops...stop being so condescending of people you don't even know, and how about joining in the fun and comraderie of this site for a change?...and you wonder why talking to some of us here is like spitting in the wind?...oh geeeeez
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posted May 26, 2004 10:00 AM
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posted May 26, 2004 10:15 AM
Edited By: worm~hole on 26 May 2004 13:21
...I argue or disagree the best with some of my best friends...and sometimes a lot of good comes out of it...sometimes we learn something about something and even about ourselves...but the really important thing to know wbout my friends and me, is that we don't 'talk down' to each other no matter what...respect works both ways...
...who won this round?...who the fuck cares?...it was never my intention to 'win' anything here...I just wanted explanations and facts...we're all wired differently...
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posted May 26, 2004 10:53 AM
dket, i have given u the benefit of the doubt several times before, but this time u'r just being an ass, and a naive one at that (to put it nicely). for the sake of everyone u deal with in RL, i hope this is just an internet persona and not how u really are.
i was gonna pick apart the crap u posted here but it's too laughable to bother, and frankly i dont have the time. grow up.
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posted May 26, 2004 11:06 AM
Edited By: worm~hole on 26 May 2004 12:09
dket...I've decide to respond point-to-point...my replies are in bold quotations...
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I joined the U.S. Army with a waiver from the Deputy Army Chief of Staff at the rank of CAPTAIN . That is O-3 for all you people not familiar with the military . How did that happen DKET ??? Well at that time with 1 PHD and 1 Masters degree the Army desperately recruited me. Seven months later I got my P . That again for you not familiar is for promotable . The following month I was promoted to the rank of Major , O-4 . How did I get promoted so fast ? Well my attendance at the War College I rewrote 60% of their curriculum. And some other stuff I can't mention here . 4.5 years later I made Lt. Colonel . Two months before I resigned my commision I made Colonel . No doubt NOT the normal route for promotion for a NORMAL person . All of my scores in and out of the military are at the tip of the spear.
"...so lemme guess...you were a high-priced desk-jockey spell-checker?...please explain...you can leave out the secret squirrel stuff..we all understand the 'need-to-know' stuff..."
I served the United States of America . I go to work so you can go to work.
"...come again?...and say that to the few hundred here who have also served before you were even out of high-school or continue to serve..."
That of course will not make sense to you as nothing I write does.
"...huh???..."
You guys sit back and have the luxury to bad mouth or criticize any uniformed service member . That is not a wise practice.
"...I've already posted my reply to this elswhere..."
Worm, I am not or never will be in the EXHAUST BIZ . There is no money in it . I thought I previously posted a short portion of my resume . Did you see anything about exhaust anywhere? How many times do you want me to say the same thing?
"...no, but you comment as if you do, and I'm not the only one who sees that..."
For the exhaust tuck HP improvement it would take me a long time to compute all the variables in what you want to hear . It was not my theory anyway . I mentioned I got it from RRW Magazine and from what change was made to Erik Bostrom's bike . If you don't like those sources , not much we can do now is there.
"...AHA!....'magazine knowledge'!!!....I knew it!!!
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posted May 26, 2004 12:21 PM
Sounds like to only person you have served is yourself. Your military service lists no combat activites, just textbook. I guess folks like Hell's Dark Lord, Beanbagster, Kawchan and others that Kuwait was just a mere stop in their deployment were just normal people not worthy of enjoying you company during some "bike night" in Kuwait.
How dare you envoke your military service while others here have spilled more blood and experienced the death of more of their friends while in actual combat than all of your damn paper cuts combined. They, as well as my friends and members of my family have served and are still serving our country, both protecting what we hold dear and exposing true freedom to those that have experienced nothing but fear and tyranny. Their "war college" deals in RPGs and IEDs, not textbooks.
What amazes me the most is that with all of your proclaimed education, your arrogance is only superseed by your ignorance. I guess, as it has always been, the two still go hand in hand. You might have the rank of Colonel, but all I see is a Major. A major...
Obviously, you are in desperate need of a "coming to Jesus" talk from Harry so you will have a better understanding of your true worth to both our military and these forums.
How's that for a wise practice. major?
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posted May 26, 2004 12:26 PM
Edited By: worm~hole on 26 May 2004 13:38
...yer' killin me here, pastor  ...and does anyone besides myself see the fascinating irony of a struggling late-20's blue-haired frEEk telling an 'established' 40-something fullbird Colonel to 'grow up'?...man, I love this place!!!!
hey dketdude, you're getting eatin alive here! ...we may not be labusas (although some of us go there), but you're preaching to a diverse, sophisticated, AND tough crowd...we eat our young with placemats and forks...the animals at labusas eat with unwashed hands (and I mean that endearingly to my friends over there)...relax exlax...don't worry, be happy... 
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posted May 26, 2004 03:29 PM
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posted May 26, 2004 03:38 PM
at least he didnt edit out what he said.. ...
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posted May 26, 2004 03:42 PM
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Well you talk a lot but don't really say anything redelk .
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posted May 26, 2004 03:48 PM
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