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posted May 15, 2004 10:35 AM
I'm getting one because its way cool to have on the bike 'justin case' any any weight it might add to the total weight of bike and rider I've already lost by personal dieting....
...geez, guys!...relax...get what YOU want and what YOU think you might need...you don't need anyone's affirmation to get the stuff YOU know that YOU really want with YOUR money...
...and quit your pouting if no one likes your opinion!...pouting is for young nubiles and classic beauties with supple yet pointy breasts who make you weak and turn you into a drooling, babbling idiot....
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posted May 15, 2004 12:06 PM
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Than most what ? Guys that hear about some miracle device that costs a lot of money and weighs your bike down ? Also slows the steering response down .
I got some lead valve stem caps for you CanyonCarver . Just $450 a set . About the same cost as a steering damper .
Like K Bryant mentioned even with a damper you can still have a tank slapper . newbies I tell ya ....
I was a sucker like you to once . On my CBR954RR , all of my riding guys and all the magazines "said" I must have a damper . So I plopped down all that cash on the Scott's POS damper . It made the bike turn-in slower and the bike "felt" heavier in the turns . Never mind , this damper issue is like an oil debate . I heard that mounting 6 dampers is better than 1 , joke .
Wow, dude. I express an opinion different from yours and you launch a personal attack, insinuating that I'm an idiot. May I suggest some decaf? Lighten up, Francis.  Don't waste your money on a damper. I don't know you, you don't know me. Makes no difference either way to me. Just interested in hearing other's opinions, and sharing my own.
And Worm, if the pouting comment was directed to me, I ain't pouting. I just believe that "Arguing on the internet is like participating in the special olympics, even if you win, you're still retarded." (Joke, BTW) I just like an educated debate, like to hear others opinions when they are voiced w/o personal attacks. Again, no pouting, just not into arguments. And if the comment wasn't directed to me, never mind. 
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posted May 15, 2004 12:21 PM
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Lighten up, Francis. And Worm, if the pouting comment was directed to me, I ain't pouting. And if the comment wasn't directed to me, never mind.
...yeah, no shit Francis...you might wanna lighten up yourself, dude...I didn't read or percieve anything that was directed at anyone in particular or even you...what I read were just enthusiastic personal opinions about a subject...and of course it makes a difference to you otherwise you'd never comment on any of this with such 'feeling and emotion' if it didn't, right?...
...and, I was making a tongue-in-cheek comment about pouting to the masses in general...don't feel so special, ok?...I hate everybody
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posted May 15, 2004 12:23 PM
Edited By: worm~hole on 15 May 2004 13:24
....hey...I was kidding...kiddddddding!!!!...I love everybodeeee!!!! 
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posted May 15, 2004 04:00 PM
Ok enough. worm-hole! Don't you dare buy anymore accessories!
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posted May 15, 2004 06:32 PM
I think I see the problem here. There are fast "straight line" people and fast "round the track" people.
I agree, on the straight, really not required.
In the track, it's a must have.
Have a look at the AMA Superbikes and see how many of the don't have dampers. They'll be easy to find. They will be at the absolute back of the field.
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posted May 15, 2004 07:32 PM
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Ok enough. worm-hole! Don't you dare buy anymore accessories!
...ok...I'll stop buyinum' and start makinum
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posted May 16, 2004 10:56 AM
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I think I see the problem here. There are fast "straight line" people and fast "round the track" people.
I agree, on the straight, really not required.
In the track, it's a must have.
Have a look at the AMA Superbikes and see how many of the don't have dampers. They'll be easy to find. They will be at the absolute back of the field.
wwwrxxx ,
Yeah and all of those AMA Superbike riders also have sponsors that pay their bills to run those "MAGIC" dampers . This debate is useless . Lead 'em to water but no drinky .
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posted May 16, 2004 12:20 PM
In theory, couldn't you dial in almost no damping on the adjustable types and feel no change in steering? If there is little/no low speed damping, shouldn't normal steering inputs be unaffected? I'm not sure how a damper could screw up your steering if adjusted right.
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posted May 18, 2004 06:43 AM
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In theory, couldn't you dial in almost no damping on the adjustable types and feel no change in steering? If there is little/no low speed damping, shouldn't normal steering inputs be unaffected? I'm not sure how a damper could screw up your steering if adjusted right.
12RPilot , problem is if you tune the damper for low speed riding it does not work for you when you really need it . You need it at high speeds . Me , I don't have time to test and tune a damper at high speeds going into turns and all . Kind of like putting a Band-Aid on an open carotid artery .
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posted September 29, 2005 06:43 AM
I dont know what 10r you guys are riding but this bike even lowered and streched will shake the front violent with hard excelleration and quick shifting without stabilizer, ive had friends of mine ride it stock before ohlins, and they raced real quick didnt even finish n handed me my bike and said fuc# that thing you can have it
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posted September 29, 2005 07:41 AM
Since the 10r is known for tank slappers or twitchiness it's my theory it's better to have a dampener then to not have one and then needed it (when it's too late).
(just an opinion though)
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posted September 29, 2005 08:11 AM
Edited By: Hells Dark Lord on 29 Sep 2005 13:36
lmfao@ the insanity of this thread.....
While a tank slapper can happen with no damper, the chances are far less than without....I will keep my Scotts on my ZX10R, and I will hack up my key so it fits in the ignition. Why? because it makes me feel better about riding the shit out of my bike. As far as taking away the feel of the front end....you obviously dont have something set up right...
And as far as saving the money and buying somethign that really helps the bike, like and exhaust.....you cant ride the bike to its full potential with the HP it has now! ! ! ! Why add more when you cant use what you already have???? And before you say tha tyou can use all the potential of the ZX10...if you could, 1. you wouldnt be talking shit here, 2. you would have been on the starting grid of the last AMA race right up there with Jake and Matt, Aaron and Miguel........and I dont recall seeing you there?
invest you money wisely.....invest in trackdays.....and suspension compnenets that will help you take advantage of the HP you already have.....
there is so much BULLSHIT in this thread I need my waders........
1. it adds weight to the bike......GO ON A DIET and lose the 1 lb.....
2. in a straight line a damper isnt really needed??? evidentally someone has never set the handlebars down jsut a tad sideways while going in a straight line....
3.a damper slows steering response??? what damper is this??? I have to make sure I never get one of those, I will stick to my Scotts, it works great....
4.if you set a damper at low speed it wont really work when you need it??? my damper has a low and high speed setting??
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posted September 29, 2005 10:38 AM
I was hoping this thread would just go away.... It had been dead since May/04....
But... props for doing the research and re-activating it. I guess that's actually a good thing that people actually use the search feature.
Having a Damper is never a bad thing. And now that the '06 has it standard, it's good for us. But bad for the aftermarket....
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posted September 29, 2005 10:02 PM
When I rode on the street I never needed a dampner.
Now when I was at the track...
... exiting turn 14...
...with the rear spinning and the bars wagging...
...I got a dampner.
People that say they don't need a dampner don't ride hard enough to need a dampner. So they are right, they don't need a dampner. But it's like saying "You don't need to wear a helmet, I haven't crashed and hit my head on the pavement so nobody needs a helmet".
People that say they need a dampner obviously know why. So they are right, they need a dampner.
I recall seeing E. Boz at Road Atlanta a few years ago at full tilt on the back stretch going into the high speed right, he had heavy headshake that the dampner prevented from becoming the tankslapper that was about to happen, the tankslapper that was going to throw him down at 160+.
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posted September 30, 2005 08:03 AM
Hmm... I can't count them on both hands the amount of times I've crashed from tank slappers with a steering dampner; all on race bike/race tracks. No debate, they help. But they don't prevent them.
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posted September 30, 2005 12:14 PM
maybe its you then Kerry....:P
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posted September 30, 2005 03:33 PM
Oh no doubt about that Jim. It's definetly me. Unfortuently when in full honk mode, the right hand had a tendancy to lag slightly behind sensible input from the brain..... Now that I'm a little older and wiser, it's just the opposite.
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posted September 30, 2005 04:40 PM
hahaha, I hear that .....
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