guzmanx-zx10r
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posted May 14, 2004 06:33 AM
i hit 150 mph and no head shake
i hit 150 mph and no head shake on the bike its really smooth you can really feel it still breaking it in iam at 900 miles now what speed has been reported that causes the head shake.....
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dket
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posted May 14, 2004 06:58 AM
I have no head shake either . Don't know what these magazine guys and others are talking about . I feel sorry for the guys that are wasting their hard earned money on steering dampers . It does nothing but slow the steering down . You loose the feel of the road . It also adds weight to the bike . Plus a huge chunk out of your wallet . Also what is up with having to hack up your bike key to install that ugly POS anyway ?
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roym3
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posted May 14, 2004 07:35 AM
I thought they were[magazines] talking about coming out of turns on the track at full tilt on rough surfaces.
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salsa1
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posted May 14, 2004 07:42 AM
 Edited By: salsa1 on 14 May 2004 08:45
Must be the heavy guys do not need? seems like; I weigh 192lbs . I sure love my steering damper (scotts ;it looks good to me) best money spent as far as I can tell. -100% difference seems like another bike to deal with now. really...
Shifting into 2nd 3rd 4th and rough surfaces when wheel lands or gets light is no problem now.
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posted May 14, 2004 07:42 AM
The issue isn't at a certain speed - it's getting to that speed.
Headshake present at the top of first, second and third gears under WOT (yes, I lean forward and I weight 230).
I too will be "wasting" my money on a damper - not cuz I'm Scott Russell but because it happens to me and I'm no racer guy by far.
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posted May 14, 2004 07:44 AM
Edited By: dnwhoop02 on 14 May 2004 08:44
1. Head shake is there. It happens when the front end gets light under hard acceleration. Speed doesn't matter... you can be going 50 or 150, what matters is where the tach is. Starting at around 10K, upshifting and pinning it will produce the headshake in a straight line. If the bars are turned at all, or over uneven road surfaces it's even easier to get headshake under hard acceleration.
2. Not all steering dampers require key modification. So far I've only heard that about the Scotts (the GPR might also due to a similar design). The piston types (Ohlins, Hyperpro, etc...) don't require modification, and are pretty asthetically pleasing IMO....
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fish_antlers
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posted May 14, 2004 08:26 AM
no headshake.... just "lightness" from the front end under heavy acceleration for me... light enough to scare you if you werent prepared for it..
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posted May 14, 2004 08:32 AM
Yeah, I think we heard someone say you were a lil light in the front end.
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posted May 14, 2004 08:36 AM
was he shriveled, wrinkled and purple?
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posted May 14, 2004 08:44 AM
Edited By: dnwhoop02 on 14 May 2004 09:52
ha... in my case, the "front end" has enough weight to it that it's not too hard to keep down under normal circumstances... but given the right "inputs", it comes up immediately and has no trouble staying there... 
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johnnyboy
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posted May 14, 2004 08:45 AM
I haven't experienced tank slapper on the 10r, before I did I mounted the Scotts, works great on my 12r so I bought one for the 10r too. I did, however, have the misfortune of a very nasty takeslapper coming home from work on an R1 last year, nearly crapped my pants. The bike shook so hard my feet left the pegs and back the pucks out away from the front discs too. Man, I couldn't wait to get that bike home so I could sit down. I did say a prayer and thank God for keeping upright and that I survived the leason he had for me and for not crashing the bike. Stearing damper went on two weeks later and the bike sat for the entire two weeks. The damper is cheap insurance, if it keeps the skin on your arse it's money well spent.
DKET> You in the military? I work in Itel Comms and we have a satellite transmition system we use called a DKET (Deployable Ku band Earth Terminal). Just curous about the tag is all.
Peace,
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posted May 14, 2004 11:27 AM
You really need to learn how to twist the throttle.
If you think it doesnt need a damper...you need to get a smaller bike.... like one with about 1/2 the hp of the 10...lol
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I have no head shake either . Don't know what these magazine guys and others are talking about . I feel sorry for the guys that are wasting their hard earned money on steering dampers . It does nothing but slow the steering down . You loose the feel of the road . It also adds weight to the bike . Plus a huge chunk out of your wallet . Also what is up with having to hack up your bike key to install that ugly POS anyway ?
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roym3
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posted May 14, 2004 01:34 PM
Light front is technically not head shake,but it becomes head shake anytime,unless you are very comfortable WFO .
I am not that comfortable either with my 10 yet,and the way the 10 keeps the front end light at WFO almost any time.Maybe I will get a damper myself.I am going down 2 teeth[rear] to see if that helps the front end and roll on acceleration,like it did on my 12.
12's don't do that,best I remember,maybe because of the extra weight and torque combination;they felt more planted,or they wheelied.I did go 2 teeth down[rear],to keep it on the ground a little better.Small difference maybe,but more comfortable for me/I came from a Busa[never got light relatively speaking],unless I wanted it up in the air.
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guzmanx-zx10r
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posted May 14, 2004 02:59 PM
i dont know but under hard acceleration also i still havnt felt any head shake i dont know maybe its me but this is the smoothest bike i have ever been on.....
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zeta xray
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posted May 14, 2004 08:46 PM
I have never had head shake or a tank slapper on the street. My first track day, when I got the tires hot and sticky, I could get some shake out of the ZX10. But it wasn't the crap in your pants type and it didn't feel as bad as some of the wiggles you see when you are watching the WSB bikes. I refined my suspension set up before my second track day and had no shake or wiggles. I still think I would like a steering damper, since it gives you more options in the range of adjustment of your suspension. But I am pretty new at this stuff and could be entirely full of s**t.
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posted May 14, 2004 08:57 PM
I shifted 'indiscreetly' leaned over and it snapped the front end up which snapped the bars, but once the front end was back down, it was solid.
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posted May 14, 2004 09:55 PM
for those of you that don't think you need the damper, think again.
If you don't need it then you are not riding it quick.
try coming of a turn at 100mph and spinning the rear in second and grabbing third. Once the stability is breached, it cannot be stopped without going back to a coast. Then you can wind it on slowly, but by then, the 600s have come past.
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posted May 15, 2004 06:37 AM
DKET> You in the military? I work in Itel Comms and we have a satellite transmition system we use called a DKET (Deployable Ku band Earth Terminal). Just curous about the tag is all.
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You got it exactly . I was in the service but now I am a DOD contractor . I currently supervise 4 DKET's in Kuwait .
You got a number at work ? I will call you and we can swap BS stories . I work nights so that would be day shift for you in the states . That is if you are in the states .
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DKET
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posted May 15, 2004 06:47 AM
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You really need to learn how to twist the throttle.
If you think it doesnt need a damper...you need to get a smaller bike.... like one with about 1/2 the hp of the 10...lol
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I have no head shake either . Don't know what these magazine guys and others are talking about . I feel sorry for the guys that are wasting their hard earned money on steering dampers . It does nothing but slow the steering down . You loose the feel of the road . It also adds weight to the bike . Plus a huge chunk out of your wallet . Also what is up with having to hack up your bike key to install that ugly POS anyway ?
TURBOBLOW ME ,
Any day you want to bring your bike over here to Kuwait we will see all about me not turning the throttle . What really sounds correct is that you little boys are afraid of the bike . Got to get a damper , WTF ??? Next you all will be installing seat belts and cruise controls . Then you will be crying about the lack of air bags and your pink thong riding up your butt on long rides . I know I hate it when mine rides the crack .
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DKET
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posted May 15, 2004 06:57 AM
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for those of you that don't think you need the damper, think again.
If you don't need it then you are not riding it quick.
try coming of a turn at 100mph and spinning the rear in second and grabbing third. Once the stability is breached, it cannot be stopped without going back to a coast. Then you can wind it on slowly, but by then, the 600s have come past.
I must obviously be one of those "slow" guys , lol .
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posted May 15, 2004 07:50 AM
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for those of you that don't think you need the damper, think again.
If you don't need it then you are not riding it quick.
try coming of a turn at 100mph and spinning the rear in second and grabbing third. Once the stability is breached, it cannot be stopped without going back to a coast. Then you can wind it on slowly, but by then, the 600s have come past.
I must obviously be one of those "slow" guys , lol .
I had a friend that echoed your comments, almost exactly. Swore he didn't need a damper and wouldn't get one as he had never experienced any serious headshake. Tragically, he passed away last weekend, due to a violent tankslapper that threw him over the bars.
I think this comes under the category of "You won't know you need it, until you need it. Then it's too f'in late."
Cheap insurance, IMO.
My $.02
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DKET
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posted May 15, 2004 08:26 AM
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for those of you that don't think you need the damper, think again.
If you don't need it then you are not riding it quick.
try coming of a turn at 100mph and spinning the rear in second and grabbing third. Once the stability is breached, it cannot be stopped without going back to a coast. Then you can wind it on slowly, but by then, the 600s have come past.
I must obviously be one of those "slow" guys , lol .
I had a friend that echoed your comments, almost exactly. Swore he didn't need a damper and wouldn't get one as he had never experienced any serious headshake. Tragically, he passed away last weekend, due to a violent tankslapper that threw him over the bars.
I think this comes under the category of "You won't know you need it, until you need it. Then it's too f'in late."
Cheap insurance, IMO.
My $.02
Cool , then by all means go out and spend your money . I sell a 75 point titanium roll cage and 36 point racing seat belts so you can feel secure . Oh and you don't even have to hack up your key to install them . All in humor .
I would rather spend the wasted damper cash on some real tires or a full exhaust . You know something that actually helps the bike .
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k bryant
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posted May 15, 2004 09:07 AM
If you want a damper, and it will help and/or make you feel more secure, then go buy one. If you do track days, it is a definet help. But don't sit here and try and give everyone the impression that you "must have one" to go fast. That's absolute bullshit!
Did the magazine guys use one testing on the track? I think not.... And I'm sure some of you commenting on this thread are faster than those testers... Buy a damper if you want some assistance in downgrading your tankslapper, headshake, wobble, whatever you feel. If you think it guarentees it won't/can't still happen; you're dreaming.....
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CanyonCarver
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posted May 15, 2004 09:27 AM
Cool. I wish you both luck and safe riding. You obviously know more than most. Peace.
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DKET
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posted May 15, 2004 10:28 AM
CanyonCarver
Than most what ? Guys that hear about some miracle device that costs a lot of money and weighs your bike down ? Also slows the steering response down .
I got some lead valve stem caps for you CanyonCarver . Just $450 a set . About the same cost as a steering damper .
Like K Bryant mentioned even with a damper you can still have a tank slapper . newbies I tell ya ....
I was a sucker like you to once . On my CBR954RR , all of my riding guys and all the magazines "said" I must have a damper . So I plopped down all that cash on the Scott's POS damper . It made the bike turn-in slower and the bike "felt" heavier in the turns . Never mind , this damper issue is like an oil debate . I heard that mounting 6 dampers is better than 1 , joke .
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