otto65
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posted May 11, 2004 11:54 AM
Another 2004 R1 blows up
Just got home from my dealership where they had an 04 R1 motor spread all across a workbench. It would seem that at 620 miles second gear sprocket let go. There was pieces of sprocket everywhere,and it blew a hole in the lower crankcase. It was really ugly. All sorts of crap in the oil pickup. So now I'm really glad I stuck with Kawasaki. I bet all the boys riding R1's and reading this forum will be hearing every strange noise coming from those bikes and cringing as they grab the clutch. It will be interesting to see how Yamaha handles this claim. I will try to keep up with this story. While I was there they had a blue R1 just prepped that I sat on. The mechanics told me to be careful not to break it.
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posted May 11, 2004 12:21 PM
That's Funny: "Be Careful not to break it" 
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posted May 11, 2004 12:45 PM
R1's seem to have notoriously weak tranny's and clutches. As a former R1 owner I experienced several missed shifts that made noises akin to silverware in garbage disposal x 2. Never experienced that problem in the 10,000 miles I put on my 02 GSX-R1000
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posted May 11, 2004 12:54 PM
 Edited By: Jake76 on 11 May 2004 13:54
I remember reading a thread a couple of weeks ago on a R1 forum. A guy was talking about how his bike starting making funny noises and all of a sudden it shut down. Every post after that were nothing but paranoid R1 owners. All of them saying how there bike is making that noise, or they think it's making that noise.. I found it humorous.
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Erich
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posted May 11, 2004 01:40 PM
Problem is there are so many newbies that buy them they have no idea of what normal is. They think they are driving in their toyota car or something.
I dont know, I have had FZR1000s and old air cooled GSXR1100's, and those where loud and had lots of mechanical valvetrain noise. These new bikes are almost dead silent to me.
These kids just have no idea.
Funny thing about that dude who posted his bike shut down....he just disappeared. No response or follow-up though it was going to the dealership straight away. No doubt he was embarrased to say it was nothing or he did something he should not have, cause you know if it had a legit problem it would have been all over.
Its funny how CBR and GSXR owners dont seem to care, but ZX owners sure seem to be spending alot of time scanning the R1 forums and vice versa. That is a fun little dynamic.
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posted May 11, 2004 02:21 PM
Edited By: k bryant on 11 May 2004 15:27
That does appear to be a fact.
But I would not consider the ZX10 motor to be mechanically quite. It sounds like there's alot going on in there. And I like it! 
And I would not agree that R1's are notorious for a weak clutch or tranny. I owned a '98 & '01 and puts ton's of hard miles on each without any problems whatsoever. I've also put them through 100's of dyno runs. No problems. And of the countless bikes I've ridden and/or owned, I've probably "missed" shifts on all of them. I wouldn't say that's a flaw. It was probably me most of the time.
I'm not even going to guess at what the issue is on the hype about the '04's. I don't have any first hand knowledge of the failures and/or what exactly caused them. I do know it's an awesome motorcycle. On the track & on the street.
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nitronori
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posted May 11, 2004 02:26 PM
Everybody does it, CBR owners or Gsxr owners are no diff. What is funny is the fact that only the horror stories make it from forum to forum.
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posted May 11, 2004 02:43 PM
I'm glad its happening to them instead of us. I'll take stories of magazines being alloted "ringer" zx-10's over R1's blowing up.
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posted May 11, 2004 03:03 PM
Thatz a good point.
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Erich
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posted May 11, 2004 10:30 PM
Edited By: Erich on 11 May 2004 23:31
Well if you want to beleive forum hype that is.
So far, there are 2 supposed blow ups, with only one being documented with pictures.
Here, there is the one with the timing trigger that blew, but no pictures. And 2 ZX's reported on the GSXR sight, but word of mouth only.
There is an 04 GSXR on their forum with a cracked block right now.
There was the one case of the CBR with a supposed engine lock-up that catapulted the rider. Just pics of the carnage, nothing to show it was not due to rider error, which was the most likely case.
So we see that its normal and each blows up somehow some way. No one knows the cause, so none is better or worse then the other.
But you still see this here where rare occurences are treated as a norm and generaled to the whole population. Fails all test of logic.
If true, then all ZX owners need to go look at their timing triggers imediately as they are guarenteed to end up as shrapnel in your oil pan.
Under that belief system anyway, looks like we are all doomed for major engine failure regardless of the brand. 
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posted May 12, 2004 04:02 AM
Yep, but that's only after we escape from the cops by lofting the front end up and carrying it for 4 miles through rush hour traffic. Cuz hey, we all ride like that... 
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posted May 12, 2004 10:00 AM
Does anyone know how many total bikes of each manufacturer has been sold? I bet if we could figure it out then compared that # to the # of bikes gone bad it would probably be insignificant. But the zx10r is the toughest.
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posted May 12, 2004 10:04 AM
Edited By: worm~hole on 12 May 2004 11:05
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Yep, but that's only after we escape from the cops by lofting the front end up and carrying it for 4 miles through rush hour traffic. Cuz hey, we all ride like that...
...I wish I could stunt like that...not that I'd ever run from the cops, no need to ...but it'd freak my beat partners riding by them that way on my days-off
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posted May 12, 2004 11:19 AM
the failure of my 10 was due to a head bolt washer inadvertenly left in the engine. id call it a produced on monday morning failure, rather than a problem that may relate to all zx-10's. sorry no pics, but the dealer is over an hour away, and im not spending $50 on gas to drive up and take em. Ill try to get a few of the timing rotor when i go pick it up, hopefully tomorrow....please, please, please....
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otto65
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posted May 22, 2004 07:53 AM
Just an update on that blown R1.
It seems the Yamaha rep came out and saw the motor, and was back at the dealership the next morning (b4 it even opened) with a new motor! I give Yamamha alot of credit for that move. That is quality customer service.
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posted May 22, 2004 08:50 AM
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That is quality customer service.
sure that's true however, the best customer service is building bikes that don't blow up
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posted May 22, 2004 09:03 AM
...shit sometime unfortunately happens, even to the best...good thing nobody got injured in the process of internal destrcuction...a very good the Kawasaki stepped up to fix it in a timely manner and almost pain-free manner
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