posted April 24, 2004 03:29 PM
Adjustable ECU for the 10R the mailman brought kawasaki's accessory catalog for the 10r in the mail today. very cool stuff...the adjustable ECU (to adjust fuel, ignition, and throttle bodies?!?!) looked very interesting...can anyone shed any light on what kind of performance can be squeezed out of the 10R with this ecu? have any of the pipe mfrs made use of this ecu and what appears to have a wider range of things to adjust than the powercommander?
posted April 24, 2004 04:29 PM
Here's what the catalog states:
Adjustable ECU -- allows fine tuning of fuel, ignition and secondary throttle body operation -- (price is $1119.95 for the ECU!!!; ECU to PC/Laptop cord (necessary) is $599.95!!!)
they also have a head gasket ($89.95); catalog states that the gasket is .05mm thinner for higher compression
posted April 24, 2004 05:44 PM
and people think Monster cable overcharges. 24K gold inners and titanium outer shell whith platinum tips and diamons just for some BlinG BlinG!! Must have riped it from the spaceshuttle.
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posted April 24, 2004 07:33 PM
Their marketing people must be smoking their lunch.
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posted April 24, 2004 08:25 PM
Yah, I helped Mike Velasco build a RC51...Seems like every part (cams, harnesses, FI, crank, etc. was a grand each. Oy year, almost forgot Ti valves, etc...
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posted April 27, 2004 06:12 AM
It's like having a set of carbs and a big box of jets. Great if you know what you're doing, worthless if you don't. It's mostly good for optimizing other modifications. On it's own it might be a few very expensive ponies.
posted April 27, 2004 07:37 AM
It does fairly much in terms of performance. All stock bikes are running too lean of a mixture, to make sure the bikes comply with emissions regulations (hence the dip in torque around 5000 revs, which is fairly consistent on all bikes, as the emissions are usually measured at 5000 rpm).
If you change a full exhaust system to your bike, you usually need to do something to the fuel mixture. In carbs this means rejetting, with FI you usually have to do it by using either an adjustable ECU or an apparatus which alters the signal given by the ECU (eg. Power Commander, EMS, Rapid Bike, Motech, Techlusion). With some bikes changing a full exhaust system without adjusting the intake side of the engine, the fuel mixture can get dangerously lean, causing the engine to run way too hot. For example for the ZX-12R some kind of adjustment was required for the intake, when using a full exhaust system, to keep the warranty of the bike running.
Modern stock ECUs (for example the Mitsubishi unit used by Kawasaki and Suzuki) have some capability to adjust themselves in real time using the lambda-sensor of the bike. But usually this is not enough to keep the bike running with an optimal air-fluel mixture.
The good side of the Power Commander, when compared to some other FI adjusting units, is the popularity of it. Being so common, there's a helluva lot of ready maps for the PC, so pretty much anyone can find one that's suitable. Unless Kawasaki is testing and supplying ready maps for the Accessory ECU, it might take a little more work and time on the dyno, to get the bike running the best it can.
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quote:It does fairly much in terms of performance. All stock bikes are running too lean of a mixture, to make sure the bikes comply with emissions regulations (hence the dip in torque around 5000 revs, which is fairly consistent on all bikes, as the emissions are usually measured at 5000 rpm).
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Not according to the people at Powercommander.............they tell me they are taking as much as 20% fuel outta most areas of the lateset liter bikes.!??!?!?!?!? otherwise they be come "sluggish" (Now ................... we do not need that)!!
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posted April 28, 2004 12:56 PM
Gt Racer.... did you use the word "apparatus" in your post?
And what does this mean???
quote:..For example for the ZX-12R some kind of adjustment was required for the intake, when using a full exhaust system, to keep the warranty of the bike running.
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posted May 10, 2004 08:44 AM
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posted May 10, 2004 09:36 AM
Thanks - yes I know but I'm at work right now (basically laming out here - sorry, I normally look this kinda stuff up meself).
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