posted April 16, 2004 09:13 PM
Edited By: RichTJ99 on 16 Apr 2004 22:14
Muzzy Welds? Hey all,
I was curious, is it likely that as time goes on that the welds on the Muzzy pipes (well not the can, but the s curve), will get better as time goes on?
The one thing I regret about my previous bike (00 6R) was that I had a micron slipon can on it. I really regretted not getting a Muzzy for it.
I am very interested in teh Muzzy from my 97 ZX6E (loved the power / sound) & wanted to do it "right" from my perspective this time. However, for me the welds look awful. I dont mind spending the money on toys for the 10R but from the pictures I have seen on this site, the welds on the S pipe stink & would make the whole bike look "cheap".
So, while this is just my opinion, do you think Rob will address this issue (or is it a feature?).
BTW, I dont think I could weld better (or at all).
This doesnt look to bad (from website)
But this picture {borrowed from Fish's post) makes the pipe look awful. (Again only my opinion)
Thanks,
Rich
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posted April 16, 2004 10:17 PM
I agree, I leaned towards the muzzy for my 10r but the welds just don't cut it. Again, this is only my opinion.
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posted April 17, 2004 06:00 AM
Tho I love their products, some of the other exhaust I have seen do look better in the curved area. Tho some of the ones I have checked out were full systems the design of the curved section was still alot cleaner.
Akra
D&D
Two Bros
Ti Force (look great)
Don't know if they will come up with a better design but the preformance that Muz usually brings to the table is right up there. If you decide you want to sell if off "killer price". I feel as tho I could over look it real quick as well as a few other people here! GO RIDE !!!
posted April 17, 2004 08:18 AM
I dont have any other s-bends to compare it to right now... the fit and finish of the piep is great... slipped on in minutes and it was a perfect fit...
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posted April 17, 2004 08:41 AM
Welds- Titanium rainbow colors during the welding process. We have been leaving this discoloration on because most customers have liked it that way. They say it looks "works". Some makers even enhance this for effect.
Our systems are still hand welded not machine welded, this gives the weld the beading look. We can clean off the discoloration if that is prefered. We will probably have to go to machine welds soon do to production quantity's. So it is good to here that you prefer this type of look.
posted April 17, 2004 08:42 AM
so is that unit a pre-production or limited/low production # s-bend?
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posted April 17, 2004 08:49 AM
Fish that is our standard "S" bend. One of the reasons for the welds is there are three dimensions of tubing in the ZX-10 "S" bend. It would be much less costly to use one size (no welding) or two sizes (one weld). We have allways done what performs best regardles of production cost or difficulties.
posted April 17, 2004 08:56 AM
That is a little surprising. I thought most people preferred the hand tig welded look with the rainbow affect. You can vary that look many ways (externaly welding, chamber, pumping in argon, mig, tig, etc.). Since Titanium looks like nothing else when welded, it lets the world know you've got the hi-dige system on there and not some mambe-pambe stainless S-bend.
posted April 17, 2004 09:08 AM
I want to start this by saying that I do want to purchase a muzzy carbon pipe. I like the sound & performance that I had with my last setup.
What I like about the stock exhaust is that it looks clean & if I could just swap the can & leave the stock "S" I probably would do that.
I am in no way saying I could weld better, or cleaner, or even that I am a welder at all (im not).
Im just saying for me, that I would like a clean "factory" look for the S.
The can looks perfect to me.
I am surprised to hear that people like the "hand welded" look of the "rainbow" effect, but then again, i guess thats one way to let the neighboors know you have TI (if one cares about that).
Either way, its good to have multiple manufacturers pop their two cents in.
Rob - any chance there will be a "cleaner" version of the S pipe when it goes into mass production?
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posted April 17, 2004 10:22 AM
So here's what I want to know.. do people want me to "pick the pipe apart" from a "bling bling" standpoint or do you guys want an opinion on general fit and finsh? Tell me, cuz I dont look at perfomance systems from a bling perspective..
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posted April 17, 2004 10:34 AM
I like the works look for bikes.
I like the shiny look for bikes.
I need to hear and ride the bike with the pipe before I'm fully done deciding (unfortunately, this is after I've paid for the part...).
I like the idea that one of Rob's best hand-welded my pipe.
I can weld passably well - if you can write your name then with practice and motivation, so can you - and I think those welds are functionally and aesthetically beautiful for thin-guage 'cold' metal in tubes.
posted April 17, 2004 10:54 AM
i don't like the welds...if the pipe otherwise kicked ass (sound and power), i'd buy it...however, if another pipe had the same sound and power and did not have the welds (or had cleaner welds), i'd by that one...not sure if that's bling, but that's how i would base my decision (performance first, then looks)
posted April 17, 2004 12:30 PM
I think the welds look cool. Looks like it was custom made, almost one-off.
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posted April 17, 2004 12:49 PM
To all- MUZZYS will be happy to send your pipe with the weld discoloration removed. Please request at time of order. We will not change the design which requires welding. Our policy has and always will be performance over all other conciderations. There are many companys that put appearance first and they offer great looking pipes. Isn't it great to have options.
posted April 17, 2004 01:23 PM
Mr Muzzy,
Have a few questions for you, first will you be developing other products for the 10R ie cams, pistons ect. Also what are the chances of you doing a Raptor with the 10R. I seem to remember that you did a SB750/850 for the ZX-7 and you also had a survey for the ZX-12, what about the 10R?
Finally with the World SBK and AMA SBK factory support shrinking every year what are the chances of seeing Team Muzzy back in road racing. To me the most exciting time in racing was teams like Muzzy, V&H, Fast By Ferraci (sp?) and the like. Racing was always very close and exciting now you have the same 6 riders going at it, racing just doesn't seem to be the same these days. Any insight on this?
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posted April 17, 2004 02:12 PM
What does it have to do with "bling", just different opinions on a great product. Tho you really did'nt have to "thanks" for the various explanations (Mr Muz). I feel nobody here is trying to "pick the pipe apart", just an opinion that if not brought up we would not know there could be an option when it came to the weld. As a comparsion to a custom or works type of product it would really be cool to have a system with that sort of apperance. But those who prefer a cleaner factory look may feel different I appreciate Rich for making the comment and your time as well explaining.
I prefer the factory look. I still have my rear mud-flap, factory turn signals, and reflectors. Just because I don't prefer fender kits, flush mounts, tag relocation other products to enhance my bikes appearance does not entitle me to call anyones elses opinion "bling-bling". - (.02 cents)
posted April 17, 2004 04:18 PM
ZX10BURNER- We will develope many new products for the ZX-10 in the near future. The steering damper is finished and in production now. look for info on website next week. Frame sliders are in development now. Rear sets to follow. We won't sleep till its all done.
Our current agreement with Kawasaki is to Drag Race the ZX-12 in Streetbike Shootout and Pro Stock. If Kawasaki wanted us to Road Race next year we would consider it.
posted April 17, 2004 07:40 PM
Mr. Muzzy,
I don't want to hi-jack this thread but would very much like to discuss the ZX-10 with you. I've been a fan for quite some time and was hooked when I saw a picture of you standing next to your 88 ZX-10 endurance race in Cycle News. Not too much later I read an article in MotorCyclist November 1988 titled "Muzzy's Monster" Kawasaki's Unlikely Contender.
Long and short of it I bought a ZX-10B in May of 89 and have owned it since. You could say that in a round about way you had a bit of a hand in what I bought. 15 years later I have a month old ZX-10R guess some things just don't change. If you have the time would like to hear what you have to say about that endurance racer.
Joseph
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posted April 19, 2004 05:24 PM
I too like the performance of a Muzzy pipe, but welds on the slip-on just don't do it for me this time. Now if it looked like my fullTi I have on my 12R, then that would have been the slip-on I would have purchased. And I wanted one, but I didn't quite get into the welds... My Ti has springs that attach the silencer to the S-pipe and not eh pinch bolt setup on the slip-on. Again, just not my cup of tea this time around. I am sure they could have tried to hydroform the S-pipe or something other than the welds that are used. Kind of missed the boat for me this go-round. I still support the Muzzy effort and will buy Muzzy because they do a great job will R & D, just have to sit this one out.
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