a
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posted April 06, 2004 12:54 AM
suspension settings
Im still waiting for Kent K. to put his on SR couse i like them most over all from past 8 years ( allthou im heavier then Kent )but till now i got only from PB mag and Motorrad:
PB settings:
front:
2clicks more rebound
one turn more preload (4mm)
rear:
rebound 1 1/2 more in then stock
Motorrad:
front:
preload 5 rings
rebound 6 klicks
compr. 7 (5) klicks
rear:
preload 177mm
rebound 1 1/2 turn
compr. 3 1/4 turn
for 70-75kg rider
- () is for street riding
They do this settings on Cartagena(Spain) and zx10 won by almost a second a lap.
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fish_antlers

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posted April 06, 2004 06:09 AM
thanks!
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iculukn

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posted April 06, 2004 06:14 AM
Good info - thanks. Now if I can just remember how to set up a suspension, SAG/SOG and get back home, grrrr,
-lukn
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D
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posted April 06, 2004 08:57 AM
Thanks - think I'll try them out and see what I like.
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ICE 1
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posted April 06, 2004 12:35 PM
We ran the ZX10 at the track last week (track day, not a race) and used the settings from Roadracing World, which were a pretty good starting point. Here is where we ended up:
FRONT
Preload @5th line (4 showing)
Sag was 31mm w/160lb rider + gear
Compression - 9 clicks from hard
Rebound - 9 clicks from hard
REAR
Preload - backed adjuster off 1 full turn from stock
Sag was 25mm
Compression - 3.0 turns from hard
Rebound - 1.75 turns from hard
We had severe headshake problems getting on the gas without a steering damper. That is the first and most obvious thing this bike needs, and cost us several seconds per lap. Also found some chatter from the front from entry through middle section of a couple turns. The front of the bike feels too light and tries to push / run wide. We may need to drop the front in the triples and/or raise the rear. Suprisingly, traction out of the turns wasn't much of an issue. We will see if that holds true when we get a steering damper.
Rider commented that compression was too stiff front and rear, and it was not something we could adjust out. We wil try a Penske rear and get the forks revalved & see where that puts us.
These were just the picky details. My rider really, really liked the way the 10R handled and felt overall, except for the headshake.
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posted April 06, 2004 12:59 PM
Ride height is adjustable - right?
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ICE 1
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posted April 06, 2004 03:25 PM
Rear ride height is adjustable by shimming the upper shock mount with washers. It already has a washer in to start with, so you could either lower it a little, or raise it pretty good.
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hokoyo
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posted April 06, 2004 04:15 PM
Thats great info Ice 1, what tyres and pressure are you running.
Been told that you should aim for 36psi HOT, which would equate to around 31 psi cold (depending on your riding style).
When you say the front tries to push / run wide is that prior to geting on the gas.
Thanks for the info
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a
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posted April 07, 2004 03:14 AM
quote: We ran the ZX10 at the track last week (track day, not a race) and used the settings from Roadracing World, which were a pretty good starting point. Here is where we ended up:
FRONT
Preload @5th line (4 showing)
Sag was 31mm w/160lb rider + gear
Compression - 9 clicks from hard
Rebound - 9 clicks from hard
REAR
Preload - backed adjuster off 1 full turn from stock
Sag was 25mm
Compression - 3.0 turns from hard
Rebound - 1.75 turns from hard
We had severe headshake problems getting on the gas without a steering damper. That is the first and most obvious thing this bike needs, and cost us several seconds per lap. Also found some chatter from the front from entry through middle section of a couple turns. The front of the bike feels too light and tries to push / run wide. We may need to drop the front in the triples and/or raise the rear. Suprisingly, traction out of the turns wasn't much of an issue. We will see if that holds true when we get a steering damper.
Rider commented that compression was too stiff front and rear, and it was not something we could adjust out. We wil try a Penske rear and get the forks revalved & see where that puts us.
These were just the picky details. My rider really, really liked the way the 10R handled and felt overall, except for the headshake.
I think u have too much front sag and that you must dialed in suspension more, couse i think you have too much problems with this settings. To cost you several seconds its settings problems especially if it runs wide. Headshake could also be thing with tyres as i had with dunlops 208gp. I turned steering damper all the way to hard position to avoid being spit off, but when a went back to michelin pilot raceII it was ok.
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ICE 1
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posted April 07, 2004 05:46 AM
OK - so you didn't like my settings. What have you found that works for you on the track, other than what you have read???
You think 31mm is too much sag for the front? I've rarely run less, on any racebike. Let us know how much sag you are running. We did have more preload dialed in at one time (which would have reduced sag), but the chatter was worse, and we ran slower lap times. FYI we are running about the same front preload as the Motorrad setting you posted.
The chatter was fairly minor - the main issue holding us back was the lack of a steering damper. We have never run a racebike without one, and it is obviously needed for this bike. Another ZX10R owner at the track day also noticed head shake with his Pirellis, but he was not running quite as fast as my rider was. From my experience, the headshake is not a tire issue.
Since it was a track day, we were able to make a lot of adjustments to the suspension, and this is just where we ended up. It's nowhere near "dialed in" yet because of the issue with the steering damper. Once we get that solved and really start going fast, I expect that our suspension settings will change again. They always do as you increase your speed.
But it will be meanigless soon as I've already got the forks pulled for revalving, and the Penske is on the way. Can't wait until the next track day. Race bodywork will be here in May, then the real fun starts.
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a
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posted April 07, 2004 09:41 AM
quote: OK - so you didn't like my settings. What have you found that works for you on the track, other than what you have read???
You think 31mm is too much sag for the front? I've rarely run less, on any racebike. Let us know how much sag you are running. We did have more preload dialed in at one time (which would have reduced sag), but the chatter was worse, and we ran slower lap times. FYI we are running about the same front preload as the Motorrad setting you posted.
The chatter was fairly minor - the main issue holding us back was the lack of a steering damper. We have never run a racebike without one, and it is obviously needed for this bike. Another ZX10R owner at the track day also noticed head shake with his Pirellis, but he was not running quite as fast as my rider was. From my experience, the headshake is not a tire issue.
Since it was a track day, we were able to make a lot of adjustments to the suspension, and this is just where we ended up. It's nowhere near "dialed in" yet because of the issue with the steering damper. Once we get that solved and really start going fast, I expect that our suspension settings will change again. They always do as you increase your speed.
But it will be meanigless soon as I've already got the forks pulled for revalving, and the Penske is on the way. Can't wait until the next track day. Race bodywork will be here in May, then the real fun starts.
Ok on my all previus bikes i ran 22-28mm front sag. I didnt said i dont like your settings. It depend on driver style etc.
But from my expirience i had only major headshakes because of tires. If i had dialed in setings correct of course. And i never liked motorrad setings couse they are for table smoth tracks which we dont have. We have really bumpy ones i think like willow spriings so we need litle softer setings. And i liked most from wat SR did for past 8 years. Maybe just minor changes to that.
Im sure that zx10r needs steeering damper mostly for safety issue
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ELRWFO
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posted April 11, 2004 04:03 PM
Does anyone have the base settings per road racing world,I searched but can't find them.
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Erich
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posted April 11, 2004 05:20 PM
They did not indicate the preload settings, but damping was identical to the ones ICE posted above
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