posted January 30, 2004 12:18 AM
I like the looks of the can on the R1 better than the 10R. I dont like microns carbon fiber looks that much. They have better looking allum cans.
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posted January 30, 2004 12:26 PM
Does it not look like it's bigger than the stock can?
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posted January 31, 2004 10:23 AM
...how sweet if the ZX-10R had a tight fitting undertail exhaust...what's to stop Kawasaki from designing a factory one like Honda and Yamaha?...so what if only for eye candy marketing purposes...it would look cool and one less thing to potentially 'fix' if you throw your bike past horizontal...
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posted January 31, 2004 05:58 PM
What's the big deal with the undertail exhaust system craze. It's not like the traditional side mount will limit ground clearance, it's the nutz that limit ground clearance...
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posted February 01, 2004 01:31 AM
Since I can not look at either exhaust systems (side or undertail) while I'm riding and I'm not planning to go on a diet anytime soon... I'd perfer not to have the extra weight of an undertail system, no matter how little the difference might be. IMHO, it wouldn't be a little as some would imagine, either.
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posted February 01, 2004 04:29 AM
I don't see what so special about those undertail pipes, especially now everybody seems to want one, but if you want you're leathers to smell like they've been soaked in petrol I guess they're ok.
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posted February 01, 2004 04:37 AM
I think that was discussed in one of the articles. Too much weight.
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posted February 01, 2004 08:00 AM
Does anyone know if the exhaust that are built for the factory bikes differ in any way from the ones that are sold for the regular man on the street? if they do, how are they different?
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posted February 01, 2004 08:21 AM
In most cases, the only thing that is the same between the factory race pipe and the consumer product is the decal plate.
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posted February 01, 2004 09:45 AM
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You are correct, I have a partner that races and teaches at VIR, the exhaust he has on his R6 is not like what we can order from most exhaust makers. He had one of the Yoshimura pipes on his F4i that was beautiful, all Ti, with cross overs and the collector was not round and it had a plate in the collector. Sweat system, but I am not made of money like he is.
posted February 01, 2004 11:28 AM
Edited By: fish_antlers on 1 Feb 2004 11:30
I'm with kbryant.... "It's a fake"
I guess Micron pipes just "hang" on that bike by the sheer force of pure magic !
Pretty weak if ya ask me... they couldve at least waited til they made the product....
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posted February 01, 2004 12:38 PM
...the big deal is asthetics and marketing and possibly more sales...what STREET RIDER doesn't want a sweet looking STREET BIKE with a sexy undertail exhaust...I'd guesstimate that most STREET RIDERS do...after all, why do we sometimes buy the latest and greatest motorcycle eye candy as soon as we can?...it doesn't neccessarily make us ride any faster, but we look good and we feel good...often times for pure pose value and the "hey look at me" quotient...c'mon, lets be honest here..its true, isn't it?...I know, we all need love...
...now for you those of you out there on the fringes in the land of wannabe racers and for you actual racers, I'd guesstimate that you could not give a shit where the exhaust is routed as long as the bike works and as long as its light...but if its butt ugly or too old school, you'd probably have an opinion about that, too ____________ “We sleep safe in our beds because rough men
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posted February 01, 2004 01:09 PM
Undertail exhaust = more weight @ higher center of gravity. I would also think that you wouldn't hear your bike as good either with the DB's coming out at the tail light.
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posted February 01, 2004 01:25 PM
Edited By: k bryant on 1 Feb 2004 13:26
zetaxray - Two reasons - Price and Revisions.
$$$ - Ti, Mag, Race Carbon & Inconel = big $$$. Even when exhaust are made of the same "materials" as production pipes, they are different grades.
Ti is much thinner wall; Race .018 - .025, Production .035 - .049.
Carbon thinner wall & temp ratings = $$; Race .020, Resin temp 850-950F Production .040 - .050, Resin temps 450 - 600 F.
Evolution is the next problem. Last year alone, we had 8 revisions/upgrades to the 600RR program alone after Daytona (and we won that race!). That's not including even more on the Superbike program.
Is there a significant weight savings by going to the lighter materials? It doesn't seem like there could be enough difference between .018 - .025 wall Ti and the .035 - .049 stuff. I would also think that the heavier stuff would be more durable. But If you are upgrading them 8 times a season, I guess reliability isn't much of an issue.
I can easily believe the higher temp rating on the CF. I had a temp gun at a recent track day and shot it at a can on an R1 that had a fast rider, right as it came in off the track and it was 800+ in spots.
posted February 01, 2004 03:55 PM
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As far as Asthetics and Marketing go, I could give a crap about an undertail exhaust system if it is going to add more cost to the machine I choose. That is one reason I don't have a Duc or an MV in my garage and yes there are Rising Sun products that share the same idea at a lower price, still not my cup of tea. After all, this is what it is all about, choice. Isn't it? I want parts that will actually enhance what it is that I already have, not someting that is going to make my bike or me look cool. But then again there are some out there that like that sort of thing and you can see them from across the street. Looking all pretty, $100 sneakers and the latest in denim or sports wear, yeah we have them here too. But, like I said, not my cup of tea and that is what makes us all individuals and interesting. Now then, if it doesn't help the bike roll strait, turn harder, make it more comfortable, more stable, stop harder, handle better or accellerate faster I don't want it on my bike. Just my look at it and not everone elses.
posted February 01, 2004 07:48 PM
zeta xray - big difference in weight between the wall thickness's. Especially when you calculate from the exhaust port to the outlet tip of the muffler. Several pounds (minimum). Durability wise, it sucks, but it also depends on the harmonics of the bike. For instance, the RC51 gets new exhaust before a race weekend, and before every final. The 600RR can go 2 or 3 full race weekends. Lots of variables. Generated heat, exhaust pulse, general vibrations, etc. even riders styles! How many RPM they operate at overall/average, smooth or aggressive styles flex the chassis more causing stress at all the junctions, etc... It takes a lot off effort just keeping the inspections consistent and knowing when to toss a $4-5000 hand built exhaust system in the garbage.(they actually get run through a bandsaw......).
posted February 08, 2004 09:39 AM
Edited By: ozzy on 8 Feb 2004 09:43
quote:...how sweet if the ZX-10R had a tight fitting undertail exhaust...what's to stop Kawasaki from designing a factory one like Honda and Yamaha?...so what if only for eye candy marketing purposes...it would look cool and one less thing to potentially 'fix' if you throw your bike past horizontal...
What if an aftermarket tail was available that was designed to fit a undertail system similiar to the Micron/Yamaha photo to fit the ZX10R?
Kbryant, would you build the pipes if a tail was to exist for this application?
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