posted January 25, 2004 04:15 PM
Tire test take 2, cont It seems like Kawasaki just can't close that second off lap times. They are doing much better in there times this test, but still almost a second off pace.
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Superstock Times From Daytona, Day One
by dean adams
Sunday, January 25, 2004
We have been provided these lap times as fast Superstock times after day one of the 2004 Daytona tire test.
1. Jason DiSalvo, Yamaha 1:49.7
2. Steve Rapp, Suzuki, 1:50.8
3. Tom Hayden, Kawasaki, 1:50.9
4. Roger Lee Hayden, Kawasaki 1:51.9
5. Vincent Haskovec, Suzuki 1:52.45 (crash)
6. Mike Barnes, Suzuki, 1:53.00
7. Jeff May, Suzuki 1:53.49
8. Lee Acree, Suzuki, 1:54.31
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posted January 25, 2004 07:47 PM
I don't care what you show me. I want Kawsaki to show the ass end of their bike to everyone else on the track! ____________
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posted January 25, 2004 08:13 PM
Hey, it's cool. I know they are. Don't know if I mentioned it to ya, but Mike Velasco has his shop nearby. Last year there were some talks with Kawasaki, when they were really looking for help with the ZX6RR. He had his hands full with other projects, so the talks didn't go anywhere. I think the 10R is a great platform to start with, it's got all the requisite parts, in all the right places, so we can all hope for the best1
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posted January 25, 2004 08:25 PM
Cool......tell Mike that Jeff from the Dawn Patrol Ortega crew says hello.....we were'nt good buddies or anything but I would call him a friend as we talked many many times up at the Lookout.
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posted January 25, 2004 08:42 PM
Hey, that's way cool! I'll make sure and talk to him this week. He's working on my 1270 right now. Just 'freshening it up' a bit. ____________
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posted January 26, 2004 08:37 AM
Hey, you talkin about "Bryant Hwy" again XL? How close to "Dawn" is Jeff up there? That's around my time as well. I just don't stop much at the Lookout (sometimes just enough to make a U-turn and head back down to the bottom...).
Oh, and same for me when you see Mike, swft! Tell him I said to get a real job some day! We go waaaaayyyyy back to the 70's. I don't get to see my old buddy as much as I used to. Once and a while at the track, but mostly at Trade Shows he happens to grace us with his presence at.
posted January 26, 2004 11:01 AM
Edited By: burgerking on 26 Jan 2004 11:01
so the ZX10R is slower than the R1? well I usually arrive late everywhere I go but now I've got an excuse: he man I am riding a ZX10R you know it is slower than an R1
posted January 26, 2004 11:08 AM
Not a real world comparision. It's Daytona. It's tire testing. It's different riders. And essentially, the R1 is a sorted bike (the 10 is all new). Street bikes are different and you can probably flip a coin on the real world differences between all the new 1000 models on the street.
posted January 26, 2004 12:19 PM
well in the real world I think the rider is the most important factor, in which case me real excuse would have to be, heh I am late but I am crap, but uh it's better to blame the bike.
As for the R1 I think that is also a new development. Only with Kawa the leap is much much bigger than Yamaha with their R1. But Kawa got away with it with the middleclass ZX
quote:Just wait......things will get better.....you dont think we want to show our hand just yet do you.
Well, yamaha is showing there hand even more with a new 1:48.6...... That is so insanely fast...... Thats faster than the times Hayes was putting in at the first tire test right?
posted January 26, 2004 02:44 PM
The Yamaha is amazingly fast for a Superstock Bike. But I agree with KB. The R1 is benefitting from the previous R1 efforts and is better sorted at this point than the ZX10. Yes, much of the R1 is new but I am sure Yamaha learned a lot from all of the problems they have had in the past with the R1 and attempted to cure many of them when they built the new bike. Team Green really is starting with a clean slate. I doubt that any set up information can be transfered from the ZX7RR to the ZX10. Except to put a wheel at each end of the bike and hang the motor somewhere in between.
What is surprising me is that all of the Superstock bikes are closer to all of the Superbikes than I expected.
quote:Well, yamaha is showing there hand even more with a new 1:48.6...... That is so insanely fast...... Thats faster than the times Hayes was putting in at the first tire test right?
CD....you forgot to mention that.....Tommy is only 4 tenths of a second off of Disalvo's time.....look here----->>
1 Jason Disalvo Yamaha Yamaha R1 1:48.6
2 Tommy Hayden Kawasaki Kawasaki ZX-10 1:49
3 Roger Hayden Kawasaki Kawasaki ZX-10 1:50.3
4 Vincent Haskovec Suzuki Valvoline Emgo Suzuki GSX-R1000 1:51.87
quote:Well, yamaha is showing there hand even more with a new 1:48.6...... That is so insanely fast...... Thats faster than the times Hayes was putting in at the first tire test right?
CD....you forgot to mention that.....Tommy is only 4 tenths of a second off of Disalvo's time.....look here----->>
1 Jason Disalvo Yamaha Yamaha R1 1:48.6
2 Tommy Hayden Kawasaki Kawasaki ZX-10 1:49
3 Roger Hayden Kawasaki Kawasaki ZX-10 1:50.3
4 Vincent Haskovec Suzuki Valvoline Emgo Suzuki GSX-R1000 1:51.87
I didn't forget. When I posted those times, there were non for Hayden. But that is one impressive time. Pulling it within a second is much better. On the track a second or more is a lifetime away.
posted January 26, 2004 10:08 PM
I may be wrong about this, but I thought that I read some where that DiSalvo's time was on a "soft" tire. I am pretty sure that T. Hayden's time was on a race tire.
quote:I may be wrong about this, but I thought that I read some where that DiSalvo's time was on a "soft" tire. I am pretty sure that T. Hayden's time was on a race tire.
Well, im not an expert on tires. But as I understand it soft compound tires are race tires? Why test a tire other than the one you plan on racing in the superstock class?
posted January 27, 2004 12:27 AM
Now im searching sites with results from the tire test and I see lots of references to "Soft tire" and "Race tire". Wtf, whats the difference? Anyone know?
posted January 27, 2004 02:02 AM
among race tires, there are softer and harder compounds, just like in street tires. soft tires tend to be stickier but dont last as long, again, just like street tires. not sure which series allows this, but commonly softer compounds are used for qualifying since they only have to last like 3 laps, so they can be super soft and super sticky. then they use harder compound race tires for the race itself so they last till the checkered flag or to the next tire change.
posted January 27, 2004 12:21 PM
Soft tires are also called "Q" tires or "qualifying" tires. Dunlop decided to discontinue qualifying tires last year since they had virtually no competition. With Michelin (and Pirelli, sort of) coming back to the series, that changes things. The tires guys (and the other companies as well) want to be able to brag about having the fastest lap times so they make special ("Q") tires that they know will not hold up to race distance. In qualifying the riders/teams can earn a point for fastest lap time, so it becomes important there also. At one time the qualifying tires were so soft, you could have an out lap and one flying lap and the tire was shot. Last year, when everyone was on the same brand tire (for the most part), they just went out on race tires. Many riders hate "Q" tires. But the publicity a fast lap can generate is good for business, so what can you do?
quote:Soft tires are also called "Q" tires or "qualifying" tires. Dunlop decided to discontinue qualifying tires last year since they had virtually no competition. With Michelin (and Pirelli, sort of) coming back to the series, that changes things. The tires guys (and the other companies as well) want to be able to brag about having the fastest lap times so they make special ("Q") tires that they know will not hold up to race distance. In qualifying the riders/teams can earn a point for fastest lap time, so it becomes important there also. At one time the qualifying tires were so soft, you could have an out lap and one flying lap and the tire was shot. Last year, when everyone was on the same brand tire (for the most part), they just went out on race tires. Many riders hate "Q" tires. But the publicity a fast lap can generate is good for business, so what can you do?
Hrm.. I suppose that makes sense. So then looking at Jasons fastest times on race tires.. According http://venus.13x.com/roadracingworld/index.html and ama superbike... Hayden would have had the fastest lap time for superstock on a normal race tire right? AMASUPERBIKE gave him a 1:49 flat, and jasons best time according to roadracingworld.com on a race tires was 1:50.06. Does that sound right or am I missing out on something?
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