frEEk
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posted January 27, 2004 11:53 PM
yep. fucker is a long one too. still runnin over me over a year from when it initially hit!
   
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zx12haitian
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posted February 08, 2004 02:56 PM
well my zx12 has more then 160hp
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CLovaR1
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posted April 15, 2004 05:25 AM
 Edited By: CLovaR1 on 15 Apr 2004 06:27
12r dynos higher than 160hp...If your numbers were correct, would you have to ask which is faster? More HP, less w8..Not rocket science
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kcadby
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posted April 15, 2004 08:38 AM
Just Dyno-ed a 10R...
ShowRoomStock...
159Hp...80lb...
Speed limited @ 182mph on the dyno...Speedo said 189...
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ricksgsxr
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posted April 15, 2004 08:49 AM
Edited By: ricksgsxr on 15 Apr 2004 10:07
Why don't vendors, magazines etc post the TIME TO DISTANCE dyno runs in addition to the normal dyno graphs? While I like the big numbers like most do, the Time To Distance tell the gain or loss story and what I gauge my performance mods and the desired improvments .
Comparing the various stock bikes Time to Distance would enable the prospective owner to see a better indication of real world acceleration between them. Of course in this post/topic you need to have a 12 chart too compare, but I still think it would be a good thing to have especially aftermarket pipe resellers. You have a stock chart T-T-D than you have an after pipe T-T-D chart. Relying on the dyno charts will get ya in trouble. Look at how many posts are being made on the 10 and how the numbers don't compare. Argue all day on the reasons why but post a T-T-D chart and you would have a good idea which would accelerate better with the same rider.
This past weekend after spending the better part of Saturday trying to get some bored TB's to idle on my 1k . I went back to the stock ones and than I overlayed my latest chart which I was down 13 hp from my prior best but had since that time installed lightweigh wheels, ceramic bearings and ti bolts Than for shits and grins. We overlayed some other bikes charts making similar hp or slightly more. I no longer was concerned with my low hp number!
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ninja rider
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posted April 15, 2004 01:27 PM
quote:
Horsepower:ZX12R 160*stock
Horsepower:ZX10R 184*stock
Which is quicker?
Which is faster?
To end this debate I must say that the above is really comparing apples to oranges
The correct stock figures quoted by Kawasaki are as follows:
ZX12R 178*stock - 190* with ram air effect
ZX10R 175*stock - 184* with ram air effect
Both Motorrad and PS Magazine, the two top german bike magazines, have tested the new 1000 cc bikes and the Zx12R and Busa for true performance on the same dyno and on the road
These two magazines are among the very few which I consider
unbiased as they buy most of the bikes they test so they don't get any special prepped or blue printed version of a certain model. The quality and depth of their tests is without equal throughout the bike magazine community
The results were as follows:
power output at the clutch without ram air effect:
ZX10R : 168 HP at 11700rpm - torque 112 Nm at 9500rpm
ZX12R : 185 HP at 9900rpm - torque 141 Nm at 7500rpm
Acceleration and top speed tests(stock bikes, no mods) 0 - 200kph (+/- 124mph):
ZX10R : 7.5 sec - max speed : 295kph (183.34mph)
ZX12R : 7.0 sec - max speed : 303kph (188.33mph restricted)
As I own a ZX12R and will receive my 10R tomorrow I will put them through the tests myself (after breaking in) both on the same dyno and by GPS speed measuring on the same 4 mile straight. All will be reavealed
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Michael Lee
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posted April 15, 2004 02:19 PM
I concer with Ninjaman . . . . (hold the mustard tho).
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deathpulse
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posted April 15, 2004 03:01 PM
Now THIS is going to be a thread that is open for a while  !!
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ninja12
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posted April 16, 2004 10:09 AM
I'd like to see some power to weight ratios
WITH the rider included. maybe 200 lbs for rider and gear.
I've seen fast gixxer but everyone of them had a very small jock,
150 or less. With a average(180#) to large rider and the little bikes don't perform nearly as well.
The fact , just the fact!
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fish_antlers
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posted April 16, 2004 10:13 AM
phault.. do you own one? (a 10R)?
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EastBayDave
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posted April 17, 2004 06:09 AM
wonder what the power to weight would be w/my suited-up ~300lbs...?
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RACE 1
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posted April 20, 2004 10:53 AM
Edited By: RACE 1 on 20 Apr 2004 11:55
I just read the Motor Cyclist May issue which showed the ZX-10 with these specs:
HP=163.4@12K rpms
Torque=80.4fp @9750 rpms
1/4 mile = 10.06 @145.34
Top Speed = 186
Acceleration 0-60 = 2.92
Acceleration 0-100 = 5.45
Acceleration 60-80 Top Gear = 2.67
Net Weight 433lbs
True or not who knows ? is this ZX10R tested a ringer again who knows, but I do know one thing and this is just my opinion here, we shouldn't be putting Kawasaki against Kawasaki thats what Honda and Yamaha and Suzuki's are for, want to race, then race the competition, want to win everytime then race against cars.....Cheers
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pacebria
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posted April 20, 2004 06:43 PM
First post - just to get started, so anyone lined up with any other liter bikes.
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matt sterbator
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posted April 20, 2004 09:57 PM
quote:
want to win everytime then race against cars
I know of a few street cars around here that you'll want to bring you a-game against 
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r21xz
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posted April 21, 2004 05:47 PM
0-100 in 5.45 sounds kinda odd,since first gear is good for 100? That's a looooong time first. The 12 will haul to 90 in lots less time,and hitting second.
What rpm are they launching the 10's from? Seems a 12 would jump out first,then the tiny 10 will blow by?
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Widowmaker
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posted February 26, 2005 01:04 PM
Man this was a hot topic 2400 people looked at this one.
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otto65
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posted February 26, 2005 03:53 PM
I know my blue (the faster color)ZX10 spanked a certian 182hp ZX12 a few times doing roll ons down the highway. (full Arata ,stock air filter ,Dan Kyle mapped). I dont know how it would go in the 1/4,but spring is coming.
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starchild
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posted February 26, 2005 03:57 PM
i have a stock 2000 12 had it dynoed got 169 out of it with a muzzy pipe and power commander my freind got 162 same set up.
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otto65
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posted February 26, 2005 06:07 PM
After a BMC street filter & remapping I got 155hp and 76 ft .
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trenace
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posted March 01, 2005 02:53 PM
Edited By: trenace on 1 Mar 2005 15:09
If you want to compare weights from published figures, dry weights are pretty meaningless. Published curb weights on the other hand seem pretty reproducible between factory claims and when outside people actually measure a bike.
On curb weights, it's:
ZX-12R: 542 lb
ZX-10R: 432 lb
Difference: 110 lb.
There is a half-gallon difference in *claimed* fuel capacity -- don't know actual difference, but let's use claimed as an approximation. So subtract 3 lb from 12R to compare the bikes carrying equal fuel (of course, if the 12 has worse mileage, it may make little sense to make that correction, but let's do it anyway.)
In that case, the difference is 107 lb.
In other words not remotely in the same ballpark for weight.
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Spyral
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posted March 02, 2005 06:33 AM
teh ZX12 pwns!!
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rac4it
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Bergie
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posted March 02, 2005 07:14 AM
So so so sick of this debate. Let stupid people be, I say.
Which is faster? Which is quicker? Same answer for both questions.
The ZX10 is quicker and faster than a 12 in all comparisons.
http://dontbescaredracing.com/video/zx10r_nj.wmv
End of topic.
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Marcos Peguero
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posted March 02, 2005 08:27 AM
+1, this is a new era.
Dont cry zx12r, just buy a muzzy kit 1270 and presto.
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Widowmaker
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posted March 02, 2005 03:03 PM
Edited By: Widowmaker on 2 Mar 2005 15:04
Dont cry zx12r, just buy a muzzy kit 1270 and presto.
Presto my ass, a stock ZX10 with a pipe and the front end straped is running 9.35 in the 1/4.
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frEEk
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posted March 02, 2005 03:12 PM
is that honestly and truly stock except for pipe, gearing, and lowering? if so (or even if not) that's some phenomenal dragging.
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