posted January 19, 2004 03:07 PM
Hey craig, there arent many of us who can put the numbers that Rickey, Chip or Shine do, most of us do something during the day then we go ride. I can tell you with Rickey and Chip they eat sleep and drink dragracing, and if they could have little bikes with those bikes they would.
Get what you like and ride it to the best of your skill and do like I do........."yep the 12r can run 9.30's!" not with me but it can..........
posted January 19, 2004 05:37 PM
I was doubting my memory so I dusted off the factory service manual... sure enough, Kawi claims the 2000 12r has a dry weight of 463 lbs. and a curb weight (wet) of 276 front and 260 rear, that makes the wet weight 536 lbs.
I took off about 18 lbs of weight, most of it from the factory exhaust.
That makes my 12r 445 lbs dry. That makes a 72 pound weight difference.
So in that case the 10 r just needs to be 10 hp less than the 12r to equal the power to weight ratio of the 12r with equal weight riders of course.
Too bad the factories wont give us a usefull number to really speculate with.
In a perfect world they would give us actual rear wheel HP and a weight figure that is ready to ride including 1 gallon of fuel.
So if all the bikes had one gallon of fuel you could make a 1/4 miles pass.
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posted January 19, 2004 08:33 PM
hey fellas, if we are gonna bench race here, lets also factor in the shorter wheel base which will imit acceleration due to the "wheelie factor" and this is also a place where the extra weight of the 12 helps out, in keeping the front end down.... Sherm made a comment I believe about the spectrum of horsepower through out the rpm curve. The only place you will be able to compare the 10 and the 12 there is at peak, the 12 will make more hp through out the entire hp curve, and start makeing the hp much sooner, not to mention the torque numbers of the 10 will not be even close to the 12.
and all that being said, numbers dont matter to me a much, the 12 will be far more comfortable for long distance riding than the 10. Ihave a 600 and I dont want to ride it around the block, its only comfortable when I am railing through the mountains, or around the track. Since mostof the miles I put on a bike oare on the street, going back and forth to work, or just putting around, I will keep my 12.
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posted January 19, 2004 08:53 PM
Perfectly said HDL i like most people not only bought a 12 for the ass clinching power but also the comfort i sat on a 10 at the show in Atlanta and it seems a whole lot like a 636 so trading a twelve for a 10 just doesn't seem feasible.
posted January 20, 2004 04:49 AM
Don't underestimate the 10. If the gixxer 1000 can almost keep up with a 12 on roll ons and the 10 is supposed to be lighter than more powerful than the gixxer, well........
posted January 20, 2004 05:43 AM
Its been said....
The 10 is faster.....
Maybe when you have a 2mile straigth the zx12r will catch it because of the top speed.
But that is not comon...
Curves, no coments necesary.
Long trips, wife trips, then its another topic.
posted January 20, 2004 06:02 AM
My12 is much comforatble than the 10, there's no comparison. But it's that potential performance that makes you say hmmmmmmm
posted January 20, 2004 06:15 AM
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posted January 20, 2004 06:29 AM
tn, the key here is alomst keep up...why cant it keep up? Because they cant keep the wheel on the ground. Add more power and what good does it do you, it just makes it easier to get the front wheel off the ground.
I dont know what GSXR1000's you allhave been dealing with, but I have a few buddies that have them that I ride with, none of whcich can even be close to keeping up. The only way any GSXR1000 I have seen has a chance is in a 5th or 6th gear roll on. from a start they dont have a chance. was running against my buddy at the drag strip (1/8th mile) I beat him cionsistantly. I know equal riders right, well put him on my 12, and he turns better times than I do.
My brother on his 01 GSXR1000 cant run with it either, while he doesnt posses the skill, (not like I have any skills on a dragstrip, but he has less) and I pull away from him consantly, because of the wheelie factor....just my expierence. But I fear no GSXR1k, nor the new ZX10R.
Now once you lower and strap the GSXR or the ZX10R it will be a completely different story, then you take the acceleration limits out of the bike, or atleast raise them enough to negate the 12 advantage...then you will have some trouble..
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posted January 20, 2004 11:11 AM
My .02 I am excited about the '04 liter bikes for sure. I'm anxious to see what kind of numbers the bikes produce. No doubt that they will hand the 12R its' own ass in the twisties, and so they should. I also think quarter mile times are going to be very impressive as well. But in all honesty we're comparing apples to oranges here fellas. Comparing the 12R to the 10R is like comparing a slingblade to a scalpel IMHO. Two bikes with two different missions.
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posted January 20, 2004 11:21 AM
Did you say Slingblade??
quote:..Comparing the 12R to the 10R is like comparing a slingblade to a scalpel IMHO. Two bikes with two different missions.
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posted January 20, 2004 11:28 AM
Uh huh................... Gimme some french fried potaters,.............er maybe some mustard and biscuits............ ____________
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posted January 20, 2004 12:16 PM
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posted January 20, 2004 12:56 PM
Hitman, thats good advise but..... I have some Suzuki 1000 and busa riders that I m used to beating up on. I cant afford to get a bike that I'm unsure of in regards to performance and not be able to continue to whip there asses. So thats why I said that I am going to wait a while to see what the 10 can do then make my decision on what to get. I wish I can get them both!!!!
posted January 20, 2004 01:31 PM
This is a no end topic at the moment.
There is no ZX10 at our hands to try the bike.
When I brougth my zx12r, I had in my mind that I was not getting a track bike.
I was looking for a bike with Power to be on the pack in my country.
R1's = all abused and illegal (never mind where your USA stolen bikes go)
Gixxer = very expensive for me (its used at the track here)
929 and 954 = rare and very expensive, almost all illegal.
Then this ZX12r came, 1 owner, PC3r, full muzzys, hyperpro stering damper, new tires, with lots of Love and care.
I knew in my heart that this bike is not the proyect I had for the R1, that was to build it to 155rwhp.(ports, cams, exaust).
But in the street, I could would have a very fast bike, not a very fast track bike.
For me to espect that a 2000-2004 ZX12r model bike could hold the candle to a 2004 superbike with lights bike is just kiding myself.
A new era has arrived, where +180mph is not only for the big ones.
posted January 20, 2004 06:22 PM
Isn't the rumor mill great.... Anyone can say almost anything, and more people than not will believe it's true.... Hey, you did hear that the ZX10 is ....... Nope, not gonna start anything. I'll leave that to XL.
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