speedgene
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posted February 18, 2006 11:31 PM
Who Does Track Day And Why?
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1. State years riding (offering your age is optional).
2. Size bike used?
3. List any chassis and/or engine enhancement/changes
4. List literature, books, ect., about subject read? Did they help?
5. List any other type riding done other than track day.
6. State instruction outline given at course, then give your opinion what you would like to have addressed, or thought was going to be addressed?
7. List how many times you've been. How many you plan attend.
8. List any other group or private lessons besides track day
9. List what you find comfortable. List weaknesses.
10. I shut up, you start.
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kneeburner
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posted February 19, 2006 07:23 AM
1. Been riding about 36 years
2. I use a ZX9R because I got a great deal on it and a spare motor came with it.
3. Forks and Shock done by Race Tech,Full Muzzy exhaust with Factory jet kit.
4.Twist of the wrist by Keith Code don't think it helped though.
5.Dirt riding 2 and 4 wheeler lots of street riding.
6.If youve been to a trackday they explain what the different color flags are,they emphasize taking it easy on cold tires.(theres always several who don't get it and crash on cold tires especially in the am sessions. Instructors are available in all classes for help. Just get one to follow you around in a session and give you hints and tips on what your doing wrong and what your doing right.
7. I have been doing trackdays once a month for the last 3 years(sometimes twice a month)
8.Been to the California superbike school in 83 at riverside raceway(when it still existed)
9.I like trackday because i can go as fast as i want with no cops or brain dead cagers. If i crash i've usually made a mistake. Weaknesses i wish i was faster........ 
There you go thats some of the reasons i love trackdays.....
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speedgene
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posted February 19, 2006 08:07 AM
 Edited By: speedgene on 19 Feb 2006 08:08
Bruner, Thanks for your 9 point input. Exactly what I wanted to know?
Give me in your opinion, what you think is holding you up to go faster? As soon as you read the sentence, hold that "instinctive" thought and write it down. I want to know that very first thought. I'd like to know what you came up with? If that thought keeps snowballing, add the other problems to the list. More info, the better.( Any others that would be willing to participate, please don't forget to write down the first thought that came in your head?)
Tell me also why the book didn't help? What were you expecting to get out it? Thanks.
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kneeburner
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posted February 19, 2006 09:37 AM
I think if I had larger balls I could go faster lol. Seriously though to go faster its about how far you are will to hang it out and take risks. I have 5 children they depend on their dad to be able to go to work on monday lol. I found also the faster you begin to go you start finding the bike needs adjustments (suspension mostly) to make it work better at your new found pace. ie compression ,rebound adjustments.....The book did help I found it difficult to take what Keith was talking about and put it to use on the track thats just me others may get a lot more out of it.....
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speedgene
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posted February 19, 2006 10:51 AM
I don't know if you are more comfortable braking, turning, or how much input you can put towards each turn? If you want to go faster, you need friendlier turns you are more comfortable with to do this. Let's say you have one or two great turns or entry or exit points that you can hold your own against. You need to start out with your #1 primary comfort turn(s). If you can brake hard, use a deeper braking point. Be consistent, and work with one turn only. By the end of the day, your favorite turn's braking point pretty much is mastered for that session. Next time out, you will have a deeper more consistent braking point at your primary. It becomes comfortable again, even though you are going deeper. Move on to the second favorite turn and either get on the gas sooner, or brake later than you ever have before.
Do you think this might help? Have you tried this approach before?
Believe me, a suspension click for a tenth of a second won't be needed.
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kneeburner
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posted February 19, 2006 03:43 PM
I have used that approach and your right it does improve lap times. Eventually though you reach the point that to go faster you have to push the turns that are less friendly to improve to the next level. I have found that if you have an instructor or even a friend you trust that is faster than you following him into an unfriendly turn can help improve corner entrance and exit. It has to be someone you really trust though. That has helped me improve. Like a buddy of mine says you have to want it. In the faster move Kevin Schwantz says that motorcycle racing is 90% between the ears. He's right on with that statement.....Its about what your brain says you can and can't do.....
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franz131
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posted May 23, 2006 02:29 PM
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1. Riding 24 years
2. 600
3. Fully prepared supersport racebike
4. Twist of the Wrist 1 & 2. 1 was an epiphany which has formed the basis of my entire approach to track riding. 2 was a bit of a letdown in comparison.
5. Strictly racing and lapping
6. Proper body positioning is never covered well and is rarely displayed by the average rider
7. 6 - 10/yr + 2 - 3 races
8. I instruct at beginners-only days at my local track
9. Later braking and higher corner entry speed. For some reason I'm no longer comfortable trail-braking deep into corners and I notice myself finishing my braking long before the apex. I had a crash last spring when I tucked the front into a long decreasing radius corner but I went faster later in the weekend so I thought I was over it, apparently not
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08CC14
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posted October 13, 2007 08:14 PM
Edited By: 08CC14 on 13 Oct 2007 21:16
1. 48 - Been riding for last 30
2. YZF600R and Concours 14
3. Stock except for carb jets on 600
4. Total Control, Proficient Motorcycling, More Proficient Motorcycling. Somewhat helpful
5. Commuting and sport touring
6. Throttle Control, Brake Control, Line Selection, Body Position, Suspension, Fear. Good overview. Plenty of hands on and feedback during ride sessions.
7. 3 classes last 18 months. plan to go at least once per year.
8. 2 Fast and Total Control (sponsored by Puget Sound Safety)
9. Left hand turns and straightaways. Right hand turns and traffic
10. The track is exhilerating, the people are great, and you can always find someone to help you. The track lets you practice at real speeds what you might need but cannot learn on the street. Track Days ROCK!
See you at the track!
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'97 YZF600R
'00 ZX6e (rideable but needs paint)
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