kzz1
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posted September 30, 2003 10:52 PM
Starter button/ nos diagram needed
Can someone explain which wire to cut/splice into to turn your starter button into a nos button using a toggle switch? Currently, we are using a bracket and a button from Radio shack on the right handle bar but would like to convert over to the starter button. The dry kit we have shows how to wire it through the starter button but it is for the hayabusa not the 12.
  
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kzz1
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posted October 01, 2003 04:19 AM
C'mon now guys... I know someone on here is spraying NOS using the starter button. Help!
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wannabe
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posted October 01, 2003 06:06 AM
Come on, you actually expect one of us to post a reply between midnight and 5 am? Hang on a sec. I'll draw one up. It's the same as the wiring I did for my air shifter recently. I even wired in a toggle switch that switches the button from the horn to the air shifter.
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wannabe
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posted October 01, 2003 06:25 AM
OK, I just realized that it's going to take me a little longer to draw it up and post it because my scanner isn't here. But, just to give you a little teaser: (You can follow along in the wiring diagram in the manual, or look on your bike.)
Coming out of your horn switch are two wires:
Black/Yellow - Goes to ground
Black/White - Goes to the horns....which eventually see 12V
Basically, when you hit the horn button, it allows the horns (which already see 12V) to see ground. Beep!
What you will need to do is cut and splice into the Black/White wire. If you follow the wires from the horn, you will notice that a great place to splice into these wires is on the left side of the bike right where the frame and engine meet. You will see a bunch of wires there that come from the left bar switch. The wire set that comes off the biggest connector will have the both the Black/White and Black/Yellow wires in it.
Cut the Black/White wire and splice the toggle switch as follows:
one side - Black/White wire coming from horn (+12V)
middle - Black/White wire going back to horn button
other side - Ground wire from NOS solenoid.
What this toggle switch will do is let you use the horn on one side, then let you turn the horn into the happy gas button on the other side. From here, it's just a matter of hooking up the other wire on the NOS solenoid to a switched +12V source of your choosing depending on where you mount the solenoid there are a number of easy access wires to splice into.
That'll get you started until I can draw up the actual diagram later tonight. It took my mechanical engineering ass about 2 days (and about 8 blown fuses) to figure this out when I was wiring it up for my air shifter.
Maybe someone else will chime in here and tell us if they did it a different way.
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kzz1
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posted October 01, 2003 07:39 AM
Wannabe... I appricate{sp} your effort here explaining the wiring setup but, I have the horn button figured out as it is being used for her air shifter. I'm trying to use the starter button as a nos button through a toggle switch. Hope this clears this up 
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wannabe
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posted October 01, 2003 08:03 AM
So, lemme get this straight. You want to use the horn button for NOS and the air shifter? Or, do you want the to be able to toggle between NOS, airshifter, or horn?
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RAC4IT
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posted October 01, 2003 08:09 AM
Easier- UNPLUG THE HORNS and plug one of them into the solenoid, leave the other horn disconnected.. DONE! no cutting no splicing!
Who needs a horn? 
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kzz1
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posted October 01, 2003 08:38 AM
I want to use the starter button as a nos button after the engine is started by way of a toggle switch. Her horn is being used for the air shifter.
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posted October 01, 2003 10:23 AM
 Edited By: ninja12 on 1 Oct 2003 11:24
i have seen it done. the starter button assembly can be unpluged from the harness.
Don't know which wire it was that the starter button was on, but he cut that wire and
sent it to a 2 way switch one side back to the starter and the other to nos.
No need to cut the "real " harness. 1 switch and a little wire.
Sorry i can't tell you which wire, but remove the left ram air cover and prob THAT harness with a test light.
it's only 4-6 wires if you followed it from the buttom correctly.
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moonzx12
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posted October 01, 2003 10:49 AM
use the blue and white wire from the starter go through a (spdt) toggle switch on way go to the starter on go to the solenoid
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wannabe
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posted October 01, 2003 11:59 AM
Oops, I guess I misread the part about the starter button. Now I know what you want.
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TurboBlew
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posted October 01, 2003 01:51 PM
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Who needs a horn?
A unicorn for one....hehe 
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posted October 01, 2003 02:12 PM
I have some NOS Express instructions that may help! send me a fax number (PM Not instant message) and I will fax what I have to you!
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kzz1
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posted October 01, 2003 07:56 PM
quote:
I have some NOS Express instructions that may help! send me a fax number (PM Not instant message) and I will fax what I have to you!
VH....fax# 269-660-2783
Thanks
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wannabe
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posted October 01, 2003 08:28 PM
....that xerox picture of the butt crack that will be coming out of your fax machine is not from me.
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RAC4IT
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posted October 02, 2003 05:45 AM
I can't read either... :-/
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ninja12
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posted October 02, 2003 08:12 AM
If you pull the ram air cover off the right side you will see what i'm talking about. the starter button has it's own harness that plugs into the main harness. use a test light to find and cut the starter harness wire that
light ONLY when the button is pushed. only about 5-6 wires to test.
(1)wire the button side of that wire to the center plug on a 2 way switch.
(2)run a wire for one side of the switch back to the the other end of the wire you just cut.
(3)run a wire for the other side of the 2 way switch to activated the nos.
your finish.
ps..you can add safety features like rpm window or tps switch between the (3) wire and the solenoid .
if you don't add safety features you can spay the bike when you try to start it. not good !
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wannabe
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posted October 02, 2003 08:46 AM
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ps..you can add safety features like rpm window or tps switch between the (3) wire and the solenoid .
if you don't add safety features you can spay the bike when you try to start it. not good !
Normally, I am totally against idiot safety features, but in this case, I would so install either or both of those safety features.
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moonzx12
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posted October 02, 2003 11:44 AM
the wire in the harness is blue & white or white & blue hmm!!
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ninja12
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posted October 02, 2003 11:47 AM
here are more instructions.
http://www.schnitzracing.com/manuals/DRY-3008-1.PDF
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kzz1
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posted October 02, 2003 03:19 PM
Ninja 12 and others... thanks for the info. Will tackle this project this weekend.
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zx12richard
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posted October 03, 2003 07:26 PM
Heres a diagram Dave G made for me when I wanted the second stage...
Kinda big so you can print it out and read it...
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kzz1
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posted October 04, 2003 03:10 PM
zx12 richard.... can't see the diagram?
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zx12richard
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posted October 04, 2003 05:27 PM
Your kidding right????LOL
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wannabe
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posted October 04, 2003 05:45 PM
I can see it.
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