2000redrocket
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posted April 05, 2011 02:00 PM
 Edited By: 2000redrocket on 5 Apr 2011 22:09
steering dampers
i like the scotts because it looks like a engineer designed it to dampen the steering.
to me those cylinder types are the cheep way out (they better be cheeper than the scotts type) and it will dampen better one way than the other.
paul you do have to drill to install the scotts.it is not bad but you need someone with skinnyer arms and manul dexterity to get the nuts on underneath.
i was that guy saying i never had a problem so was a friend mike till he went down in the front of the track with all the rubber down.
he told me i should have one cause he went down on a gsxr750. well i went down before the 1000ft mark about 130mph or so. cost me upper, headlights, right side, clutch cover, right mirror and buggered up the muffler some.
  
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posted April 05, 2011 02:03 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 5 Apr 2011 22:03
I have a Scott's on my 12R. But we put a GPR on Racheal's14 and it requires no drilling. If they make a GPR mount for the 12R, I would consider it.
The frame drilling on the 12R is no fun, and it is not in the best place to drill holes, imo.
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posted April 05, 2011 04:35 PM
I have the muzzys its nice but watch your throttle cables and wires it can hit them a cut them.
no drilling required not hard to install but if you have one hand it takes and hour or so 
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posted April 05, 2011 04:49 PM
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i like the scotts because it looks like a engineer designed it to dampen the steering.
to me those cylinder types are the cheep way out (they better be cheeper than the scotts type) and it will dampen better one way than the other.
paul you do have to drill to install the scotts.it is not bad but you need someone with skinnyer arms and manul dexterity to get the nuts on underneath.
i was that guy saying i never had a problem so was a friend mike till he went down in the front of the track with all the rubber down.
he told me i should have one cause he went down on a gsxr750. well i went down before the 1000ft mark about 130mph or so. cost me upper, headlights, right side, clutch cover, right mirror and buggered up the muffler some.
Ya,I`m trying to hunt one down now.....
See what I can scrounge up.....
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posted April 05, 2011 05:16 PM
for the scotts, get a long handle wrench and put tape over one side of the boxed end to hold the nut. that was the only way i was getting it done without help from a kid lol
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posted April 05, 2011 05:43 PM
That's exactly how I did it too. Loctite is important also. The Scotts/ Ohlins rotary damper is the best. I see the "GPR" on the market, and it's obviously trying to be a copy of the scotts.
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posted April 05, 2011 05:51 PM
Whats a fair price for new or used,$300/$400????
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posted April 05, 2011 06:27 PM
Here's a pic of my Scotts on the ProMach yokes
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posted April 05, 2011 06:29 PM
You can get a new one with mounting hdwe for about 440
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2000redrocket
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posted April 05, 2011 06:40 PM
it is more than just a damper. it has high speed and low speed dampening. so it can be easy and take a big hit and restrict the big hit. i also am sure the angle of effectiveness is adjustable. much more than a cylinder setup. (if you can aquire it)
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posted April 05, 2011 06:43 PM
yup! You can adjust it so the effective damping is where you want it, although the factory settings are pretty close for most.
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posted April 06, 2011 02:55 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 6 Apr 2011 10:59
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That's exactly how I did it too. Loctite is important also. The Scotts/ Ohlins rotary damper is the best. I see the "GPR" on the market, and it's obviously trying to be a copy of the scotts.
GPR has been on the market for years. They are up to the 4th or 5th revision, I believe. As I say, I have a Scott's on my 12R. But does anyone really think that drilling holes in the steering head casting is the hot ticket? On Suzuki's, and most other bikes, the Scott's uses pre-existing threaded holes.
The GPR product, on the other hand, does not require you to drill your frame in any apps that I have seen. I love the Scott's damper assembly (we have two). We have tried Hyperpro, ohlins, scott's, and now the GPR. By far I have been least impressed with the cylindrical Ohlins damper assembly...at least for my needs.
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posted April 06, 2011 05:59 AM
Do it up nice with a Muzzy......
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posted April 06, 2011 10:53 AM
I like the Muzzy one for the fact that there`s no drilling involved in install......Just pricey.....
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posted April 06, 2011 04:54 PM
I am running a Pit Bull which is really nice as well and requires no drilling.
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posted April 06, 2011 05:46 PM
Like Chad, I have a Pit Bull and like it too. It pivots up out of the way which is a neat feature.
It's easy to adjust on the fly and is simple & clean.
I've got a Muzzys on my 12 and have had a GPR on another 14, they are all good.
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posted April 06, 2011 10:14 PM
Edited By: woppi on 7 Apr 2011 06:14
mine: its a Wilbers
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posted April 08, 2011 07:42 PM
and it's a pita getting the nuts on the bolts, but it's one of my favorite mods....
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I have a Scott's on my 12R. But we put a GPR on Racheal's14 and it requires no drilling. If they make a GPR mount for the 12R, I would consider it.
The frame drilling on the 12R is no fun, and it is not in the best place to drill holes, imo.
Shane
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posted April 09, 2011 10:33 AM
Pit-bull and a Wilbers??? Any more info????
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posted April 12, 2011 05:44 AM
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Pit-bull and a Wilbers??? Any more info????
which infos you want ?
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posted April 12, 2011 09:36 AM
Where to get the one like yours Woppi......
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posted April 13, 2011 08:19 PM
anyone using the lollipop dampers from tim hayes?? great price,, but how does it perform?? http://www.haysmachineworks.com/shopping/?page_id=170
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posted April 14, 2011 04:19 AM
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anyone using the lollipop dampers from tim hayes?? great price,, but how does it perform?? http://www.haysmachineworks.com/shopping/?page_id=170
X2.....I saw them too.....I was wondering how they hook up to the bike buy no info on his site.....
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posted April 14, 2011 05:10 AM
i heard good things from them at psychobike,, but after i went down at the trck due to tankslap,, id rather be sure!!
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