VincentHill
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posted January 20, 2003 12:29 PM
 Edited By: VincentHill on 20 Jan 2003 14:17
I hate paying & doing others R&D
I will Post Pictures later and I blame no one other than myself and Mr. Adams! (Nothing I have yet to order so far this year has been as advertised) I sent My Arm to Frank Adams Psyco Bike Performance in Indiana to get a "0 to 6 inch" modification He said he was now mounting the adjustors inside the arm (WHich also does not work because the left side arm curves in right after the screw adjustor inlet and inside of "3" Inches, you are screwing against the Outside of the Swingarm). He warned me that it would not be "Exactly" "0 to 6", that it would be more like 1/2" to 6 (Space for the nuts on the adjustor).
I installed the arm today and it is more like a 3 inch to 8 inch arm (If you use it with the adjustors in front of the sliding Blocks!) If you could use it as a rear adjuster, (Which you cannot because the Brake bracket has no provision to for the reaction part to be mounted "BEHIND" the Axle) it would be more like "1 to 8" which I could tolerate! I would have bought a Hill climber if that is what I wanted! I prefer to ride the twisties with a short wheelbase bike!
Now, after spending 4 hours in 40 degree weather and $450, I now have to spend "8" more to remove and replace everything again! I should have listened to my Gut and gone to Doug @ Spencer Cycle. Now I have a real problem with someone I have never done business with and have no idea if he can fix it, or how much more work I will need to do in the cold to get it resolved. I do not know how many more above 40 degree days we will have before Daytona and to say the least, I am Pissed!! 
1st Pic, Shows Stock gearing and Stock Chain. Stock Arm would have about 3/4" of space to move the adjustor Forward. If this was a "Rear" Adjust and the Brake Bracket had the Block "Behind" the Axle, then this would be a 1/2" to 6" arm. Please also note the angle inward of the arm! If an adjustor was screwed into the arm, "How far would it go in until it hit the inside of the swingarm? (2.5 inches)
The next 2 pics show the position of the Brake Caliper mount as far forward as it will go. As you can now see it is 2" behind where the axle has placed the Wheel. This means I now have a 2.5" to 6 inch Arm!
With the Threaded adjustor in place, the Arm is about 1.5" to 6" provided the Nub on the Brake Bracket was "Behind" the Axle (I know I am giving an Idea out here, but the title was R&D after payment!
Now like I said if it was a "Rear" adjuster "AND" the Brake Caliper Nub had been welded "Behind" the Axle and that is what I bought and received, then there is no complaint!
6" of ajustment with the adjustor all of the was forward! (This would be 1" to 6" almost close enough for a Government worker, but we are not dealing with the Government!) otherwise this is either a 2 or 3 to 6 arm! Not what I asked for or paid for Period!
BTW, I could not access his e-mail or web site either!
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kawachan
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posted January 20, 2003 12:51 PM
Sorry for that Vince!! I might be in the market for an adjustable if I can talk my buddy into buying my 6 over. You sure it is 3-8?? I need it to be able to ride 60 in and SBS class if I wanted to.
You sure have some bad luck. Frank will probably take care of it for you, though.
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posted January 20, 2003 01:15 PM
watch out your posts might be EDITED by management
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wannabe
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posted January 20, 2003 01:35 PM
Edited By: wannabe on 20 Jan 2003 13:45
Why would management edit his post?
edit: OK, I think I figured it out...bummer.
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VincentHill
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posted January 20, 2003 02:28 PM
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watch out your posts might be EDITED by management
Me or Kawachan? (Right now, if it is me, does anyone think I care?)
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MadMike
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posted January 20, 2003 03:43 PM
Well I dont see a reason to edit your Post VH, what I see is someone complaining before talking with the person who you did business with. Maybe you have been getting the short end of the stick lately man and I dont wish that one anyone!!! well a few people! but definatly not you. I think you should get ahold of Frank and talk with him about your concerns, He builds quite a few arms! and I dont think he would risk his business rep on trying to screw over you. You need to get ahold of him.
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VincentHill
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posted January 20, 2003 05:36 PM
MM, I finally found his site, Joined his board and Said what I had to say with the Pictures! If he had "E-Mail" that "Worked", I would have started there.
What I told him and his board members is and I believe this to my heart, is that he got an idea to move the adjustors in front of the Axle and did no testing, well actually he did, "ME"! If he had looked!!!!! he would have seen that the ZX12 arm on the left side bends in at an angle and that only a few inches of adjustor can go in before it hits the inside of the swingarm. If he had looked, he would also have known that welding the nub on the back of the Brake bracket would have allowed almost 1.5" more of Forward adjustment. Just measuring, he would have also noticed that the arm starts out with over 3/4" longer than stock and adding another 3/4" of nuts loses 1.5" of forward adjustment!
I do not think he has/had any intensions of screwing over me or even cheating me, I think he had a new idea and without really thinking it out or testing it and worse yet, after he finished, he never measured!
I just went through 8 operations and 3 years of walking on crutches from dealing with a doctor that has the same attitude! He did not take precutions, he did not take x-rays, he did not count screws all he counted on was his arrogance. He almost cost me my life and at least my leg! I had to leave town and go to Baltimore just to get care! I have very little patience with careless people!
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posted January 20, 2003 07:35 PM
I feel for ya Vince, I really do.
I recently tried to email Frank twice to get info, but got no reply.
I really hope you get a resolution from him. Good Luck man.
Do you ever feel like you were put on Earth to be a lesson for others? A Teacher for those less experienced? A person that others, and close friends can learn from, like, you were almost put here for the growth of others? .................Yeah. Me too.
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cowboy
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posted January 20, 2003 07:42 PM
the best way to get ahold of Frank is on his website
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VincentHill
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posted January 20, 2003 08:15 PM
People, It is all over, I am sending him my Brake Caliper Bracket and he will mount the Nub Behind the Alxle and take care of the Rear Pull Adjustors! He even offered more! Considering How I am and how the last week went, I have no problem with his anger. From my type of work experience, I even think he was actually holding a little back. Hopefully any Road racers that want adjustable arms will gain from this and the "0" Part be the Key vs the "6" Part! Again I say it was Never the Workmanship, it was the "0" Part of the 0 to 6 I had severe Problems with!
Cowboy That is what I tried to do first, the problem is that I never go there and had real problems trying to locate it until someone sent me an e-mail!
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krexken
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posted January 20, 2003 09:02 PM
I hope he really gets everything straightened out for ya, Vince. Your problem is one reason I went with the bolt on extensions.
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entropy
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posted January 21, 2003 01:36 AM
When I see those l-o-n-g adjustor bolts sticking out the back, I always wonder why those folks don't just get sets of adjuster bolts in different lengths. Each set of bolts matching the chain length. Changing out the chain is enough of a PITA, so that simply screwing the right sized adj bolts in wouln't add much time to the operation.
In the same way, the bolts which go towards the front, inside the arm, could also be matched to a chain/extension length, so that no more than an inch or so would need to be inside the arm, avoiding a problem with the bend in the arm.
BTW VH: there is no charge for this R&D tip!!!! 
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VincentHill
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posted January 21, 2003 06:37 AM
Ent, I am sending my Bracket and adjustors back today. I plan to use rear pull for the "Stock" length and Front Adjustment for max length! This way, It will not be a problem either way!
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entropy
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posted January 21, 2003 02:21 PM
Great! I knew it would work out! 
I posted a question to you on LAB, but will ask again here. Did you measure the actual min wb??? using the rear adjusters, was it same as stock??
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VincentHill
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posted January 21, 2003 04:04 PM
Now I know what "WB" Stands for! I measured from the Pivot to the center of the axle and then the subtracted the distance from a fixed point . I then subtracted the distance with the stock adjuster ot the same point About .69 difference (Longer)I can live there! I can no longer use 18 / 47, but I can run 18 / 46 with the stock chain!
I also asked you a question? What was you HP Before the Hindle?
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