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VincentHill

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posted September 03, 2010 10:12 AM

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Right on Vince. Scott, you know Mad Mike had good results with the Accusump, a less expensive and effective alternative to a full dry sump. Ask him about it.

The oil tried to stay at the tree..... I love that

Doug

I REMEMBER that!! It was an Oil Accumulator that held about a Quart of Oil and once the engine was running it holds what ever pressure you have and keeps it until you run out of Oil and it runs out of oil! The biggest you can fit on your bike is the one you want.

My 1976 Porsche 911s had a small Accumulator in the fuel system. The Problem was Warm Starts where they car had sat for a long enough time that the injectors and Check valve at the fuel pump had leaked all of the fuel pressure and it was too soon for Cold Start that added the extra Fuel needed. There were 2 ways to cure the problem. One was keep replacing all of the Injectors and check valve all of the time OR (what I did) Put in a 924 Accumulator which was about 4 times larger. Would you believe all of the problem went away? Well when I got the 1982 911sc the first thing I noticed was Porsche was using the Largest Accumulator I had ever seen and there are no starting problem either,

SO if this kind of system is good enough for Porsche, it is good enough for your Kawasaki

That is why you are the Doctor Doug! A Lot Cheaper and for Drag Racing where you only need this help for a second or two it holds pleanty of Oil!
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KZScott

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posted September 03, 2010 01:39 PM

Edited By: KZScott on 3 Sep 2010 21:41

i think if you are going to go thru all the effort of getting it plumbed and setup, the extras from the DS would be worth it... plus i may have just found a used one

an electric water pump has my attention. even the most radical motor could be easily cooled down in no time. bike off, plug in the charger, turn on the pump and fan...
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krexken

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posted September 03, 2010 02:31 PM

Don't forget to take out the thermostat, if you already haven't, or drill lotsa holes in it. Electric water pumps are commonplace on cars. I'm surprised there isn't more demand for them on bikes. I wonder if there's any power to be gained with a colder thermostat in a bike. Don't hear much of that. I know aluminum likes a little heat but I wonder how much. I just happen to have a dry sump setup just sitting there in a box. Shame it's for a zrx/zx11. I bought it and a zx11 head and sold the cams out to it to pay for the whole thing.

KZScott

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posted September 04, 2010 09:39 AM

im not overly convinced taking out the tstat is a good idea?

i bought this (shipping tues)

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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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Shane661

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posted September 04, 2010 09:44 AM

Screaming deal. Way to go, Scott.

KZScott

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posted September 04, 2010 05:20 PM

$630 USD shipped.... man if i could only find deals like this all the time

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posted September 04, 2010 07:41 PM

That is a good deal.
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VincentHill

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posted September 13, 2010 01:29 PM

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$630 USD shipped.... man if i could only find deals like this all the time

You could NOT afford NOT to buy that! I think the deal with the Thermostat is If you were going to use an Electric Pump to cool things down! Remember 180 to 195 is Cool thr the Thermostat! and I am sure you want things Cooler than that AND Able to circulate the water around!
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entropy

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posted September 13, 2010 04:21 PM

On water temp, i ain't pulling no thermostat, no!

From what i've been told, cooler is not necessarily better; the motor has a temp it is engineered to operate at.
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VincentHill

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posted September 14, 2010 08:12 AM

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On water temp, i ain't pulling no thermostat, no!

From what i've been told, cooler is not necessarily better; the motor has a temp it is engineered to operate at.

Karl, There are a lot of considerations with the Thermostat. #1 is the flow rate caused by keeping or removing it. The water will move faster but reduce the heat transfer through the radiator which is not a good thing. Then with it in and below the operating temp using an electric pump the water will not be cooled if blocked by the stat when trying to cool down the engine. Last, once opened fully, you are at the mercy of the cooling system to keep the operating temp in the correct Range

Back in the day, the dreaded Jaguar disease was the main problem the British had and the ZX12R is close to having thatg same problem. So with a few gauges and the ability to control the flow rate with the electric pump, who are we to say what will end up working the best?
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entropy

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posted September 14, 2010 11:53 AM

Vincent, i hear you, but with the thermostat to make sure its not below 145F and the fan to make sure its not over 230???? (whatever), i feel protected.
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VincentHill

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posted September 14, 2010 12:12 PM

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Vincent, i hear you, but with the thermostat to make sure its not below 145F and the fan to make sure its not over 230???? (whatever), i feel protected.

I think we both understand that it is not a "Simple NO Brainer" to Pull the Thermostat and immediately have a Cooler Better running engine. In the WInter time I had to cover the "Bottom" of my radiator with tape to allow the engine to get up to a temp where it would run right.

Back in the Day when I had a 1959 MGA Roadster that I blew up the 1500 CC engine and the 1600 Twin Cam, I finally realized that my Young American foot was more than the British car could take so I turned it into a Poor Mans Cobra by putting in a 305 Chevy ENgine with 2 x 4 Barrel Carbs! To keep it cool we used 2 4 inch core radiators and to "Slow" the circulation we knocked every other vane off the water pump.

I said that to say that the Speed of the water flow can be just as important and maybe more important than the Amount of Water or the size of the radiator. I almost killed myself with that car! To slow down I bought a 1963 - 327 Corvette and installed the 375 Fuel Injection Cams. I was only 18 at the time of the MG and 21 at the time of the Corvette

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KZScott

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posted September 17, 2010 02:48 PM

starting my collection of parts, next up the water pump