KZScott
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posted August 16, 2010 02:41 PM
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That sucks Scott........
If you really copied the Adams pan design that shouldn't have been the problem........with my 1/8 mile gearing I'll 1.28 sixty foot all day long !! You don't need to go to all the expense and weight of a dry sump.
Roy
Im wondering if you can compare a bar bikes short time with a street tire bike? i have a LOT of suspension travel on the hit vs hardly any?
you running adams or koenig?
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posted August 16, 2010 02:42 PM
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Who built the motor???
i did
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
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00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted August 16, 2010 03:12 PM
Coby pan with big squat.........
Not the shock I currently use...., but I ran this set up for a long time.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUbm8dLCur4
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gilberjj
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posted August 16, 2010 04:32 PM
dang..... nice pics but that sucks
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zxboy
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posted August 16, 2010 06:04 PM
Shane.......I'm running a Adams pan......... It holds 5 quarts when filled to the sight gage.
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Shane661
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posted August 16, 2010 06:16 PM
Does the Adams pan have a baffle plate like Scott's?
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zxboy
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posted August 16, 2010 06:42 PM
It has a baffle.....but it probably doesn't go as high as in the one Scott built
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posted August 16, 2010 07:04 PM
 Edited By: zxboy on 17 Aug 2010 03:35
Scott...... I don't think it matters if it's a bar bike or not... my bike will leave with the front end up and the oil pan at a pretty steep angle...maybe not quite as high as you may get your bike ???
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zxboy
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posted August 16, 2010 07:39 PM
Scott.....I couldn't see the pictures you posted till I got on my home computer.............
I don't think I've seen a ZX12 blow up that bad !!! Your lucky you kept it up on two wheels !!
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posted August 17, 2010 04:04 AM
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Scott,
Looks like the motor was going S on the 2nd pass.
Down that much mph should prob have been a cause for great concern unless you blew a shift or dumped the throttle before the traps. eh?
logging oil pressure in yr future???
(didn't we have this discussion previously?  )
Sorry to see the carnage. but logging oil pressure will tell you if the issue is accel or decel.
I've seen bike guts on the track on 2 motors bc of accel and 1 bc of decel oiling issues; hopefully i won't make those mistakes again.
Ding dang it, this is an expensive sport.
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posted August 17, 2010 04:43 PM
The adams pan also has a bunch of other baffles you cant see in the photos of it, that direct the oil, right to the pick up, under the old floor of the pan.......
my bike has like 70 psi in the shut down area...........
Not sure on take off............LOL, but, it is still together, with 5w20 oil.
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posted August 18, 2010 10:21 AM
Wish I had taken pictures of my Coby pan when I had the bottom cut off of it. One of the baffles came loose in the section under the old floor of the shallow section. That baffle directs oil to the little slot between the original sump and the new extended sump. It looks like it would work when accelerating.
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posted August 18, 2010 11:51 AM
I just want to clarify my previous comments on this issue. I'm not at all opposed to Coby's pan or any other design THAT IS PROVEN to work. If it works, it works, You can't afford to do your own R&D on this stuff. It has to work every time or.......$$$$
Coby knows his stuff and like Rob, has blown up a lot of stuff learning what works and what doesn't. They did it so you don't have to.
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posted August 18, 2010 12:33 PM
I guess what your saying is if it was that easy Rob would have made one him self???
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posted August 18, 2010 01:28 PM
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I just want to clarify my previous comments on this issue. I'm not at all opposed to Coby's pan or any other design THAT IS PROVEN to work. If it works, it works, You can't afford to do your own R&D on this stuff. It has to work every time or.......$$$$
Coby knows his stuff and like Rob, has blown up a lot of stuff learning what works and what doesn't. They did it so you don't have to.
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KZScott
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posted August 18, 2010 04:41 PM
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Scott,
Looks like the motor was going S on the 2nd pass.
Down that much mph should prob have been a cause for great concern unless you blew a shift or dumped the throttle before the traps. eh?
it was down mph on the first pass, which leads me to believe it was accel. tons of passes slowing down as allways, but none with this 60 ft
logging oil pressure in yr future???
(didn't we have this discussion previously? )
we did, and im guessing that if i had of had oil pressure logged, i would have seen a big drop in the first run, noticed it was down on power, and not run the second pass....
Sorry to see the carnage. but logging oil pressure will tell you if the issue is accel or decel.
I've seen bike guts on the track on 2 motors bc of accel and 1 bc of decel oiling issues; hopefully i won't make those mistakes again.
Ding dang it, this is an expensive sport.
ill be taking next yr off building something else 
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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KZScott
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posted August 18, 2010 04:43 PM
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The adams pan also has a bunch of other baffles you cant see in the photos of it, that direct the oil, right to the pick up, under the old floor of the pan.......
so does mine
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted August 19, 2010 04:24 PM
Nasty pictures Scott but at least you stayed on the bike.I know how you feel as I toasted three pistons last month then rushing to get the motor built for the next meeting found a 1 inch crack in the bottom of no3 clyinder,a disaster waiting to happen,so that motors finished for this year.
Was it a stock rod?? not that it would make much difference looking at the damage,I can send you some stock rods if you need any,free.
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posted August 19, 2010 09:18 PM
DAMN brother.. so sorry to see the carnage pics man. glad you're ok tho and live to build another badass motor.
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posted August 20, 2010 01:06 PM
Just saw this. That is a bummer Scott. I know you will get her back together and better than ever.
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posted August 20, 2010 01:16 PM
dammnnnnnn
that is what we NOT want to see !!!!! grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
bad news !!!! grrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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posted August 20, 2010 05:46 PM
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Nasty pictures Scott but at least you stayed on the bike.I know how you feel as I toasted three pistons last month then rushing to get the motor built for the next meeting found a 1 inch crack in the bottom of no3 clyinder,a disaster waiting to happen,so that motors finished for this year.
Was it a stock rod?? not that it would make much difference looking at the damage,I can send you some stock rods if you need any,free.
Hey Ken, yes stock rods, Im told Muzzy used stock rod in Gadsons turbo bike, so had no reason to upgrade other than to get lighter rods. Im undecided on if i should use stock or Carrillos in the next build. Ive decided to build an 02 motor into a turbo and really up the power. I would assume 2 rods are ok from my blown up motor, but you never know. I also have 3 good rods in the damaged 02 motor i picked up, so I may be set if i decide to stick with oem. I really appreciate the offer of the free rods, and maybe later on if I decide i need some, and you still have some I could buy them.
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted August 23, 2010 02:36 PM
I have got two spare sets one from a motor I bought for the block and gearbox milage unknown and one set from my big bore project that has carillo rods in it.
Now I am starting to get to grips with the turbo bike I can tell you boost is the way to go.
I ran 214.3 mph in the mile on Sunday with 12lbs of boost and it was so easy I cant wait to gear it better for next time.
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posted August 23, 2010 02:39 PM
Only one thing would have saved those rods- OIL PRESSURE :-)
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posted August 25, 2010 03:57 AM
Spondon sure makes a pretty swingarm... As pictured on the turbo above
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