KZScott
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posted August 14, 2010 01:16 PM
might be time for the dry sump...
so first pass off the trailer friday night, (i had adjusted my shock a bit softer as i wasnt gettiing full travel) it hooked up hard for 8-10 feet then lit the tire up, slid around a little, but went pretty straight. the track wasnt great and a few guys were spinning. even with the spin, i got a 1.40 60 ft. looking back i think i unported the pickup on the hit as it was definately headed into the 1.3s if the track had of been there
compare to my 8.84 run from the previous race
1.459
3.785
5.723 @ 126.6
7.36
8.846 @ 156.3
1.408
3.729
5.684 @124.8
7.355
8.891 @150.0
down on mph, no map changes, very similar conditions, i hit my shift points....
i try ity again, making no changes to the bike, it starts a little hard, i think battery and go up to the lane. shuts off after the burnout, starts harder (i have to shut the fan off in order to get it to fire up)
1.569
4.106
6.169 @ 118.9
7.925
9.537 @ 143.4
just after the finish line parts of #4 rod come out of the front of the cases.... oiled up the rear tire, but i kept it up ok and got stopped without major issue. oil soaked header wrap and plastics on fire and saftey gets it out pretty quick...
so my season is over, ill get pics up later tonight after i pull it apart, we stayed and ran dads bike today
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted August 14, 2010 01:58 PM
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN!
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ZRXDean
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posted August 14, 2010 02:29 PM
Sorry Scott. Glad you kept it upright.
Always seems obvious after the fact, right?
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KZScott
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posted August 14, 2010 04:50 PM
ya 20/20, thx
i recently picked up an 02 motor with a spun rod bearing, very minor damage, so that will be the start of the new build.
mine is toast
we picked this up off of the track
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted August 14, 2010 05:57 PM
damit KZScott sorry about that glad you didn't go down keep your head up it will be alright
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posted August 14, 2010 07:09 PM
wow that is some nasty carnage, I am glad that you made it out safe.
Build it better next time
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posted August 14, 2010 07:55 PM
scott, what oil were you running?
also, whose pan is that......?
If those numbers got a motor, without a dry sump, I would blow motors all the time......
I would assume something else was the cause, not the et alone........
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KZScott
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posted August 14, 2010 08:05 PM
Motul 300v 10w40
mine, same depth as an Adams pan, and it had a roof
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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KZScott
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posted August 14, 2010 08:28 PM
cams look ok to me, but i will probly give them a spin in the cap with a DI on a few places
major contact, but no broken valves( a few bent valves)
still getting mild contact on the exh side....
crank is done, teeth on the gears are really bad, a few chips on the trans, but mostly ok
whats left of #3 spins fine
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted August 15, 2010 02:59 AM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 15 Aug 2010 10:59
It's looks like you got "lucky" on the head! 
So, what do you need now...cases, some rods, crank, 1 or 2 pistons, a few valves?
Since you have a spare motor, it sounds like you could have a 1287 together with somewhat minimal cost.
It could be worse...
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Y2KZX12R
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posted August 15, 2010 04:54 AM
Damn, I feal for ya Scott. That sucks.
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posted August 15, 2010 05:37 AM
Sorry to hear Scott, but on the bright side I give you my vote for the most carnage I mean you even ruined your fairings.
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KZScott
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posted August 15, 2010 08:12 AM
i did get really lucky on the head, it will need a few guides(some are cracked), valves and probably a valve job.
even at "minimal" cost, it will be next season before i have something running, the spare needs a rod journal fixed, and im at my budgets limit for the yr
lucky to have it stopped with the rubber side down
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted August 15, 2010 12:27 PM
So did that killer tran`s make it through it ok, basket,lockup??? You put so much time into making sure all was good with this motor..... I can`t take hits like that anymore...I`ve had my share of blown motors in my time.... I`m stickin with my STOCKER from now on....
Good luck on your rebuild.....
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KZScott
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posted August 15, 2010 12:49 PM
most of the trans is ok, a few chipped teeth, it could probly be run with just a little dremmel work, but i may replace a couple gears.... im wanting to do the OD 5th and 6th anyway
basket is fine, but the backing plate is messed up, so it will be going on a new gear core. lockup is fine, hub is fine
a stock motor will tear itsself up just as quick if its starved for oil...so dont think its a safety thing by staying oem
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted August 15, 2010 12:57 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 15 Aug 2010 20:59
I would be investigating the cause of oil starvation....doesn't seem like the launch was the cause? Maybe the oil pan setup? Something with the oil pipes, relief or pickup?
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KZScott
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posted August 15, 2010 03:07 PM
I know im done with messing around with any wet sump design, just incase...
it burned up #4 and the outside main beside #4. dads did exactly this in 08 when we had that really shallow oil pan on it
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted August 15, 2010 04:56 PM
quote:
most of the trans is ok, a few chipped teeth, it could probly be run with just a little dremmel work, but i may replace a couple gears.... im wanting to do the OD 5th and 6th anyway
basket is fine, but the backing plate is messed up, so it will be going on a new gear core. lockup is fine, hub is fine
a stock motor will tear itsself up just as quick if its starved for oil...so dont think its a safety thing by staying oem
Ya,I know thats why I`m replacing all my bearings now....
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posted August 15, 2010 05:56 PM
What was that I was saying about experimenting with oil pans.....?
Scott that's a bad one. Really feel for you. I would suggest that you magnaflux any tranny parts you re-use. It's not expensive and will really give you confidence in your new engine. No reason not to use them if they pass mag. You won't be wondering about the cracked dog or tooth you may have missed.
Doug
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KZScott
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posted August 15, 2010 07:14 PM
I wonder if Muzzy would give me a discount if i got 2? Ill put a bigger Muzzy sticker on it...
I think ill send the trans to R&D, get them to check it out and add the over drive gears. its worked awesome since 08 when they did their magic to it.
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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zxboy
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posted August 16, 2010 12:26 PM
That sucks Scott........
If you really copied the Adams pan design that shouldn't have been the problem........with my 1/8 mile gearing I'll 1.28 sixty foot all day long !! You don't need to go to all the expense and weight of a dry sump.
Roy
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Shane661
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posted August 16, 2010 12:54 PM
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That sucks Scott........
If you really copied the Adams pan design that shouldn't have been the problem........with my 1/8 mile gearing I'll 1.28 sixty foot all day long !! You don't need to go to all the expense and weight of a dry sump.
Roy
What pan are you running?
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posted August 16, 2010 02:23 PM
Scott, im not trying to be a wise ass by saying this...
The only mods you should be putting on your zx12 is from Coby Adams!!!!!
Coby knows Kawasaki's, his parts maybe a few bucks more than some other guys but you get what you pay for, & actually you'll be saving $$$ down the road with Coby Adams since you wont have to rebuild broken motors...
Just trying to help you out...
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KZScott
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posted August 16, 2010 02:34 PM
do you want to see detailed pics of my pan vs Cobys?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted August 16, 2010 02:37 PM
Who built the motor???
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