RedBull
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posted December 22, 2002 08:14 AM
60" Factory Street Bike Class, www.NMRAonline.com
We are talking about a 60" no bar class at www.NMRAonline.com
Every bike in this class will be ALL MOTOR, Self Starter with Head & Tail light...
Ray said, Registration & Insurance is extra money for the road racer...
However, If you have a registered streetbike, perhaps you can get a weight break ?
Factory Arm, No Air Shifter, Stock Clutch Cover, Street Tire, 600 LB. minimum.
Change the Arm, + 50 LBS. Air Shifter, + 50 LBS. Clutch + 50 LBS. Slick + 50 LBS.
So you could have a 60", Air Shifter, Lock-up, on a Slick, at 800 LBS. minimum...
Then give the Registration waiving street rider a 50 pound break, 550 LBS. min.
Add an air shifter to that & he's right back to the 600 LBS. minimum. WELL ? ? ?
And if your bike is on a street tire, you can hot lap it into the Street E/T class.
Go figure out the combo on your bike, Mickey is already at 700 LBS. minimum,
Arm, Air Shifter, Clutch, & Registration would make that about right, HUH ? ? ?
If I want to run a slick, then I could with 50 pounds added to the 600 LBS. minimum.
However, I will not be allowed to hot lap it right back into the Street E/T class.
Red, *<(:{)-
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1999 Prostar West Super Gas Champion !
2000 NMRA / Prostar Pro E/T runner up.
2001, 2002, & 2003 NMRA Pro E/T Champion !
2004 #3, 2005, & 2006 NMRA Pro E/T runner up.
2007 Pro St. Legal #6, NMRA Pro E/T Champion !
2008 Motorcycle Drag Race Assoc. SS Champion !
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RedBull
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posted December 22, 2002 08:17 AM
If you have some input visit www.NMRAonline.com/forum & post your vote.
This is a fairly new forum.
Thank you kindly,
Red, *<(:{)-
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1998 Prostar West Super Gas top ten.
1999 Prostar West Super Gas Champion !
2000 NMRA / Prostar Pro E/T runner up.
2001, 2002, & 2003 NMRA Pro E/T Champion !
2004 #3, 2005, & 2006 NMRA Pro E/T runner up.
2007 Pro St. Legal #6, NMRA Pro E/T Champion !
2008 Motorcycle Drag Race Assoc. SS Champion !
www.dragbike.com - www.MDRA4U.com
www.PMRcomponents.com www.NAARDEN.biz
Photos by www.HooliganUnderground.com
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cowboy
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posted December 22, 2002 08:20 AM
Is there enough bikes around down there to support another street class??How many bikes are in your street et class now because this may take away some(some guys can't hotlap because of clutch)?
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RAC4IT
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Bergie
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posted December 22, 2002 12:14 PM
why all motor?
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RedBull
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posted December 23, 2002 12:47 AM
Cowboy, we don't have many street bikes in Street E/T,
however, I keep hearing how street racers like heads-up racing...
With this class, if you drop out the first round, you can go to Street E/T...
This way it will not take from the E/T class, just help to understand it.
Race, the Turbo, Nitrous shootout just brought out a couple ringers,
we would like to set it up so that more bikes will come out & race with us...
Nothing longer than 60" so that they don't scare the quick road race bikes.
If you could post your thoughts there, it would be greatly appreciated...
Thank you kindly,
Red, *<(:{)-
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1998 Prostar West Super Gas top ten.
1999 Prostar West Super Gas Champion !
2000 NMRA / Prostar Pro E/T runner up.
2001, 2002, & 2003 NMRA Pro E/T Champion !
2004 #3, 2005, & 2006 NMRA Pro E/T runner up.
2007 Pro St. Legal #6, NMRA Pro E/T Champion !
2008 Motorcycle Drag Race Assoc. SS Champion !
www.dragbike.com - www.MDRA4U.com
www.PMRcomponents.com www.NAARDEN.biz
Photos by www.HooliganUnderground.com
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wannabe
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posted December 23, 2002 05:28 PM
Are the weight minimums for bike + rider? Do members of Team Fat Ass get a head start if we're over 700 lbs with a stock bike with papers? 
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RedBull
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posted December 23, 2002 06:14 PM
I believe that most times the minimum would include the rider,
Other wise you could put a skinny chick on the thing...
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blunt4c
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posted December 25, 2002 11:00 AM
I just found this place so a lil slack please for the obviously dumnb questions
What general geographycal area are you talking about and is there anything happening in the central Calif area?
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cowboy
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posted December 25, 2002 01:12 PM
check out www.nmra.com
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RedBull
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posted December 25, 2002 06:15 PM
We race in Sacramento...
www.NMRAonline.com
Red, *<(:{)-
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1998 Prostar West Super Gas top ten.
1999 Prostar West Super Gas Champion !
2000 NMRA / Prostar Pro E/T runner up.
2001, 2002, & 2003 NMRA Pro E/T Champion !
2004 #3, 2005, & 2006 NMRA Pro E/T runner up.
2007 Pro St. Legal #6, NMRA Pro E/T Champion !
2008 Motorcycle Drag Race Assoc. SS Champion !
www.dragbike.com - www.MDRA4U.com
www.PMRcomponents.com www.NAARDEN.biz
Photos by www.HooliganUnderground.com
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blunt4c
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posted December 25, 2002 08:45 PM
Thanks guys..guess I should open my eyes and ears more....
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RedBull
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posted December 31, 2002 10:17 AM
Blunt, do you have a turbo bike?
NMRA does have index classes to fit your bike...
9.90 Super Gas, 8.90 Super Comp, & 8.20 Top Gas...
Check it out, we get started in March, www.NMRAonline.com
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RedBull
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posted January 12, 2003 08:24 AM
We want to be inclusive with this heads-up class...
We've already determined that we want an ALL MOTOR CLASS...
We also know that we want the weight minimum around 600 LBS.
The stock wheel base would be good, up to 60" (ZZR12) street tire,
and you'll get to hot lap it into Street E/T if you drop the 1st round.
Airshifter, Clutches & Tires have all been questionable...
How about these for rules. ( $60.00 entry fee. )
1) All Motor, naturally aspirated, No Turbo, No Nitrous...
2) Stock frame & arm, head & tail light, with stock looking bodywork.
In order to include everyone we should make weight adjustments...
1) If you ride your registered & insured bike to the track, (-50 LBS.)
You get a weight break, this would include bike & rider, no mods.(550 LBS.)
2) If you feel that you need an air shifter, add 50 LBS. to the minimum,
Your program would have to weigh in at 650 LBS. bike & rider, no other mods.
3) If your clutch can't fit inside the stock clutch cover, add 50 LBS.
Your program would have to weigh in at 650 LBS. bike & rider, no other mods.
4) If your bike is shorter than 60" & you want to stretch it, add 50 LBS.
Your program would have to weigh in at 650 LBS. bike & rider, no other mods.
5) If you have an 18" wheel & the shootout tire won't fit, slick, add 50 LBS.
Your program would have to weigh in at 650 LBS. bike & rider, no other mods.
and you will not get to hot lap it into Street E/T if you drop the 1st round.
6) If you want to try every option above, add the weight accordingly.
Airshifter, Clutch, Stretched with a Slick, comes in at 800 pounds total...
What do you think ?
This should include everyone & make the playing field level...
Red, *<(:{)-
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RedBull
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posted February 04, 2003 06:38 PM
Jay at APE will be sponsoring this class !
60" maximum with a 600 lb. minimum.
That's it, now get to the track !
Red, *<(:{)-
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1998 Prostar West Super Gas top ten.
1999 Prostar West Super Gas Champion !
2000 NMRA / Prostar Pro E/T runner up.
2001, 2002, & 2003 NMRA Pro E/T Champion !
2004 #3, 2005, & 2006 NMRA Pro E/T runner up.
2007 Pro St. Legal #6, NMRA Pro E/T Champion !
2008 Motorcycle Drag Race Assoc. SS Champion !
www.dragbike.com - www.MDRA4U.com
www.PMRcomponents.com www.NAARDEN.biz
Photos by www.HooliganUnderground.com
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bkrfstmn
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posted February 11, 2003 12:30 PM
i think the weight is too light for most street riders that like to race
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your car is slow
Needs a job
Fuck Nitrous...Got Boost?
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posted February 11, 2003 12:34 PM
that is quite light....
hell Im 700+ easy bike&rider
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cowboy
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posted February 11, 2003 02:22 PM
Ya,i'm a light weight and bike and rider are still 640lbs.But i guess if i was on a gsxr1000 i would have to add weight
I like the fact that you simplified the rules to 60" and 600lbs but i would just leave it at 60".Its hard to get a guy to add weight to his street bike to go to a race track.my 2 cents
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RAC4IT
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Bergie
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posted February 11, 2003 02:33 PM
 Edited By: RAC4IT on 11 Feb 2003 14:35
You should simply copy the rules from the MIR/Rock series, done.
This all motor crap sucks, IMHO of course
http://www.mirdrag.com/classrules/60pro_sportbike.htm
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bkrfstmn
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posted February 11, 2003 04:49 PM
i think my bike probably weighs at least 540 with very little gas, now if i could just teach that third grade girl across the street to ride
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cowboy
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posted February 11, 2003 05:15 PM
quote:
You should simply copy the rules from the MIR/Rock series, done.
This all motor crap sucks, IMHO of course
http://www.mirdrag.com/classrules/60pro_sportbike.htm
I AGREE
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RedBull
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posted February 11, 2003 06:18 PM
Just hide your unit well, & get to the track !
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RedBull
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posted February 22, 2003 08:46 AM
Edited By: RedBull on 24 Feb 2003 18:39
APE 60" west PRO SPORT BIKE
NMRA SERIES: 6 event points series... ( $60.00 entry fee. )
DESIGNATION: PSB, preceded by rider number.
CLASS DESCRIPTION: Designed for late-model 60" streetbikes.
The class contests the ultimate in stock wheelbase motorcycles.
60" Pro Sportbike is reserved for stock appearing motorcycles with unlimited naturally aspirated engine modifications and any approved fuel, No nitro. No Turbos, No superchargers, No nitrous permitted.
FORMAT: Races will be a qualified 16-bike field. Qualifying and eliminations will be heads-up, run on a .400 pro tree, with all pro class rules in effect. If any bike is unable to make the first round call, alternates will be allowed to take their place in the ladder, with the first alternate to be the quickest non-qualified legal entrant. Alternates must have completed at least one legal qualifying attempt and passed the road course in order to be eligible for alternate status. Any rider that does not qualify for the class will be permitted to run Street E.T. at no charge.
ROAD COURSE: Bikes should be street-legal and, in order to prove streetability, may be required to perform a road course test. The road course will be 5 miles long, and following the end of the course, all bikes will be required to turn off their engines and re-fire them within 30 seconds and pass a designated point under power. Substitute riders will be allowed during the road course, but all riders during the road course must have full safety equipment, including SNELL helmet, full leathers, gloves, and boots.
BODY: All main body parts, including fairing, tank, and tailpiece must be cosmetic duplicates of the original parts for the year depicted by VIN number, and cannot be mixed between models. Size and dimension of body parts must be the same as original parts, except as noted. Scoops and air inlet openings may be filled in. Body parting seams may be relocated or removed. FAIRING: Aftermarket windscreens allowed. Lower portion of fairing may be trimmed for exhaust system clearance, or for increased ground clearance. Bottom of fairing may be closed in and/or extended rearward to create a sealed belly pan for oil retention. Bikes originally equipped with full front fairings may remove lower portion of front bodywork, but bodywork must still extend low enough to completely cover cylinder head.
TAILPIECE: Must maintain original size and shape, but may be extended rearward to cover rear tire. Seat may be integrated into tailpiece. No aerodynamic devices, such as wings, fairings, or air dams, may be used, unless originally equipped. Engine air inlets or scoops may be added.
GAS TANKS: Factory appearing gas tanks must be used, and may not be cosmetically altered. Sump area may be modified, but tank must remain functional.
LIGHTS: Head light, and tail light systems must be functional, and must be used when the track lights are on.
BRAKES: front and rear brakes are required.
CHAIN GUARDS: Chain guards are required on all entries.
COOLING SYSTEM: Cooling system required. Cooling systems must be sufficient to operate bike during road course. All components of the cooling system used during road course must remain on bike during all qualifying and eliminations. Any factory or aftermarket components may be used.
ELECTRICAL: Any ignition or electrical systems allowed, including nitrous progressives, boost controllers, or fuel injection controllers. No front wheel speed sensors or third wheel speed sensors allowed. No traction control or wheelie control systems allowed.
KILL SWITCHES: Tether kill switches required on all entrants. Kill switch, when activated, must disable ignition, and fuel pump.
DATA ACQUISITON: Strictly prohibited. No sensors, outside those required for typical fuel injection or ignition controls, will be allowed. Any bike using data acquisition for testing purposes must remove onboard computer and any illegal sensors, including wheel speed, EGT, G-meters, suspension travel.
LAUNCH CONTROL: Stutter boxes, 2-steps, or other devices designed to allow full-throttle launches not allowed.
ENGINE: Any engine originally used in a production motorcycle, may be used.
Factory cases must be used. Any internal engine modifications allowed. Transmissions may be modified, but no-kill autos not allowed.
"Sliders" or other types of centrifugal engagement clutches not allowed.
FRAME: Factory OEM frames must be used, no aftermarket frames will be allowed. Small accessory or body mounting tabs, brackets, braces, mounts, gussets, etc. may be moved, modified, replaced, or removed. Steering neck angle may be altered, but must remain in original location. Rake may not exceed 40 degrees. Neck may be replaced with aftermarket neck, but neck must be same length as original neck. Subframe and/or seat rails may be modified or replaced, but seat rails must remain at original height and location, in relation to main frame. Bikes with factory seats that were originally mounted to fuel tanks or other components other than seat rails may not have bottom of seat relocated lower than original factory location in relation to main frame. No modifications to main frame or engine cradle will be allowed, except as noted otherwise. On factory perimeter-style frames (including, but not limited to, Suzuki oil-cooled GSXR, water-cooled GSXR, Bandit, and Kawasaki ZRX), engine cradle tubes must remain intact and unmodified; i.e. no cutting, sectioning, splicing, relocating etc. allowed. "Engine cradle tubes" will be defined as the tubes which connect to the steering neck, pass down the front and under the motor, back up behind the motor, and across the top of the motor, reconnecting to the steering neck and/or front downtubes. On factory spar-style frames (including most modern sportbikes), main frame spars must remain intact and unmodified. "Main frame spars" are defined as the large formed tubes which connect the steering neck, engine mounts and swingarm pivot.
ENGINE SWAPS: Engine swaps of the same family are allowed. All engines within a given engine family must have the motor mounts and cam drive in same location, as well as have the same cylinder spacing (i.e., Kantana, Bandit, and oil cooled GSXR motors can be interchanged. GSXR 750 motors may be swapped out for GSXR 1100 motors) No modifications can be made to the frame or the motor mount plates. Frame must be 100% stock and must use the stock unaltered motor mounts. All motor swaps must be direct bolt in only.
STARTING SYSTEMS: On-board starting systems required. No external starters, batteries, or boosters allowed. No push-starts.
SWINGARMS: Swingarm-style rear suspension required, no fully welded tail-sections allowed. Any stock, modified stock, or aftermarket swingarms will be allowed. Swingarm pivot location must remain in original location. Pivot axle diameter may be enlarged. Bikes with working rear suspension are allowed any type suspension system, as long as it utilizes a conventional-style single front pivot. Bikes with solid rear suspension are allowed struts only to replace the factory shock(s). No other struts are allowed. Original style front pivot bolt or bolts must be used. Swingarm may not be welded to the frame in any manner.
SUSPENSION: Rear suspension optional. Rigid front forks not allowed, a minimum of 1.5 inches of front suspension travel recommended. Steering dampers recommended, and may be required in the future. 2-inch minimum ground clearance is required, measured with rider sitting on the bike.
TIRES: Approved motorcycle tires required.
WHEELBASE: Maximum wheelbase is 60", no over tolerance allowed. Wheelbase will be measured with rider sitting on bike.
GENERAL SAFETY: All motorcycles and riders must pass NMRA safety inspection.
MINIMUM WEIGHT:600 pound minimum weight for the class.
No ballast can be mounted to any part of the front suspension.
(i.e., no ballast can be mounted to triple clamps, forks, or axle).
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RedBull
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posted March 31, 2003 09:03 PM
60" Class is a blast !
Any one of you could have run 60" . . .
It's not like anyone was breaking any of the rules on the front page...
At that elevation it was Burkhart who put his bike in the nines,
everyone else was on a ten second bike, including the runner up !
I had the slowest bike out there, at just under eleven seconds...
We were all glad to see Augustine Herera out there on Deryl's GSXR,
And when he gets that bike dialed in, the Busa's ZX's & Gixxers better watch out !
We didn't see any R1's, or CBR's racing 60", those Bigger than Danno Busa's & that ZX9 of Erics sure could hold their own ! And Joe held up his end of the bargain, I got paid $10.00 for dropping out in the first round, when Eric's ZX9 put a whooppin' on me...
I think he gave $10.00 to everyone that went out in the first round...
Those of you that couldn't be there missed out on a great gathering of friends !
It's like that party that you go to, and it went ON until you wanted to go home...
Bernie, Bill & Deedee put on a great race for us, we wish you could all be there,
Each year is going to be better than the last, if we keep the same program...
Jay we can't thank you enough for supporting the west coast shootout program,
wait, we can thank Jay from APE by ordering any and all of your parts from him !
That APE camchain tensioner worked great on my ZX11, speaking of 11's . . .
Steve your ZX11 is awsome, you should make all of the races so every one can see it.
And the Best appearing bike was a stretched R1 that also put down everyone in E/T !
We really had a great time at Palmdale, we hope to see you at your local track !
It was good to see all of our friends at the track, both old & new friends...
Red, *<(:{)-
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wannabe
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posted March 31, 2003 09:22 PM
by the way, this is the pimp R1 that Red was talking about:
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RedBull
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posted April 01, 2003 06:36 PM
That's the bike that killed everyone in Pro E/T !
He can cut a light & run it right on the number...
Mike, You should come out & race with us,
We had a blast & it's only 6 races a year !
Red, *<(:{)-
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