supraman95mb
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posted December 16, 2002 12:49 PM
Anyone ever have a bad crank redone by APE or Failcon?
I am going 1361 with my 12 due to the fact that I spun 2 rod bearings. Muzzy says that only 1 crank they have ever had due to this failure was able to be used. The mains are fine and its just the rod bearing. I was going to get the kit from them but I have to pay an extra 700.00 for it now. Has anyone ever sent their crank to APE or Falicon and had them do it. I think this would save me $700.00 which I could put towards my carillo's that I will need.
Thanks all.
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TurboBlew
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posted December 16, 2002 03:58 PM
Falicon can fix ANYTHING.
Send it to them...you can get the rods there too.
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RAC4IT
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posted December 16, 2002 04:29 PM
Just bypass muzzys or order the pistons and cylinder from them, send your crank straight to falicon tell them what you want that's where muzzys would send it anyway. The problem with Muzzys is that when you call you talk to a sales person...
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supraman95mb
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posted December 16, 2002 05:51 PM
so go with falicon and not APE or Muzzys? I want the 1361 kit like you have berg, does anyone know how much the 1361 kit is without the crank? I hope I can get someone local to magnaflux the crank before I ship it to Cali. APE told me as long as it is magnafluxed and no cracks appear then I am ok. I have also heard of having to mark your stuff so that no one takes you, I am very afraid of my crank being good and then them telling me its not and they use it and make more money. I would hope this doesnt happen, but I have seen it in the past.. Shipping from east coast to west coast is not going to be cheap!!
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posted December 16, 2002 06:35 PM
 Edited By: RAC4IT on 16 Dec 2002 18:35
Falicon and APE are both reputible, no need to mark your crankshaft. Either company will do the +4mm stroke you are looking for, maybe you should call each and ask how much $$ and what the turn-around time is for comparison. Falicon is experienced with the 12 cranks since they do all the Muzzys kits, but APE is very reputable and knows their shit too. PS- my engine is stock 
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posted December 16, 2002 06:38 PM
Hey Berg when I called Lee today he was busy in the dyno. I did ask one of the salesman about the valve springs you have. Of course they knew you right off. He was not able to give me the details of the cams lee has.. Do you know if they are an exchange basis, are they regrinds? Also do you know the hp they add and how much are we looking at money wise. Man I hope I can get everything together before this summer!!!!!
Thanks Berg!
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posted December 16, 2002 08:03 PM
You could order the pistons from JE if you wanted and let Falicon balance the whole deal.
Too bad at Gainesville Falicon had a 5mm crank with the magnet on for $900 outright! Fantastic deal. I hesitated and lost out. Someone got a great deal on it!
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posted December 16, 2002 08:54 PM
Does the 5mm crank still use the stock starter. I thougt the 5mm were outboard start. Or is it a bigger stroke yet..
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posted December 16, 2002 09:22 PM
I don't actually beleive that Muzzy uses Falicon on the stroker cranks. I believe Spud boy in Idaho does them for them. But Falicon is certainly qualified. APE and Falicon have been around long enough to not risk their reputaion by stealing your crank. In reality it is to bad they don't have a spare core already welded so you would have zero turn around time.
Swft was at Muzzy's shop last week and spoke with Rob. He showed him around the shop including the Prostock drag bikes. Rob showed him the big bore Prostock motors with welded cranks in them. They spin them to 13000 rpm and have never broken one.
99% if not more of the crank failures I have seen in my life are usually oil related issues. But it is usually easier to bitch about the crank!
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posted December 17, 2002 04:07 AM
Z, it was laying on the table and I asked about it. It was ready to bolt into a motor. Im sure some clearancing would be in order.
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Does the 5mm crank still use the stock starter. I thougt the 5mm were outboard start. Or is it a bigger stroke yet..
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posted December 17, 2002 10:18 AM
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I called Lee today he was busy in the dyno. I did ask one of the salesman about the valve springs you have. Of course they knew you right off. He was not able to give me the details of the cams lee has.. Do you know if they are an exchange basis, are they regrinds? Also do you know the hp they add and how much are we looking at money wise.
Leave a message for Lee tell him you are a friend of mine he WILL call you back. A couple guys here have done the Lee's cams and will be able to offer you more precise information on costs and gains. As I understand it the specs are not being disclosed. He will sell them to you outright but I believe he also has an exchange / core basis. From what I've heard they make a few ponies where it counts but I have no first hand experience because I'm running the OEM intake cam on exhaust-side and stock intake cam with HD springs. Worx for me so far 
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posted December 17, 2002 10:21 AM
Edited By: kcadby on 17 Dec 2002 10:22
I would order the 1270 kit if I were you...
You'll be able to set the motor up with the compression you want if you do that 
APE and Falicon are both great companies (as stated above)...
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supraman95mb
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posted December 17, 2002 10:41 AM
What would the compression be if I ran 1270 kit on the 1361 stroker crank? would it still be a 1361? Of course I would want to spray it so I would have to get the NOS pistons if I did this.
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posted December 17, 2002 04:20 PM
Alrighty Kev, you just reminded me of something.
I remember when the Big Bore Kits first came out and I thought that several people were having problems with their starting. They'd make a run, then get back in line and try to run again just a few-10 minutes later and the bike would be hard to start.
What the heck became of those problems. Seemed like everyone was getting it early on, with speculation of compression ratio's, weak starters, or "non-Interstate" battery's and I haven't heard about anyone having the problem for a year now! Weird.
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posted December 17, 2002 06:02 PM
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Alrighty Kev, you just reminded me of something.
I remember when the Big Bore Kits first came out and I thought that several people were having problems with their starting. They'd make a run, then get back in line and try to run again just a few-10 minutes later and the bike would be hard to start.
What the heck became of those problems. Seemed like everyone was getting it early on, with speculation of compression ratio's, weak starters, or "non-Interstate" battery's and I haven't heard about anyone having the problem for a year now! Weird.
dynojet pc3r's is my guess
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posted December 17, 2002 09:25 PM
I believe the only difference between the 1270 and 1361 pistons is the 1361 has .050 machined off of the piston domes to lower the compression a little. The extra stroke of the 1361 will get you a higher compression ratio with the same piston and deck height of a 1270. I saw a post over on LAbusas where a guy tore down a 40hp shotted 1361 that had melted the ring land right where the valve notches are on the edge of the piston. Some people feel the 1270 piston is a better piston for spray since it has the thicker dome but it still has the identical valve notches which MAY be the wink link. If I were building a serious spray motor, I'd consider an sho nuff nitrous style piston. I'd bet MTC could hook you up with some. Perhaps even JE offers a true nitrous style piston also. There is a difference.
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posted December 17, 2002 09:42 PM
Well Bergie has been spraying his 1361 for some time now with no problems!! I spoke with muzzy today and they stand behind thier 1361 kits and NOS. I read the thread and I wonder if it was setup properly!! A/F mixture, etc
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posted December 17, 2002 09:58 PM
Edited By: RAC4IT on 17 Dec 2002 21:59
My crank and piston setup is custom built by LEES and probably the only reason it's still together, not just off the shelf kit put together. Rock solid so far... dont want to jinx it so if you want it to last just drop your bike off at Lees and let them do it right.
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posted December 18, 2002 05:33 AM
Superman, that is what I have on my and I dont have an exact figure, but around 14:1 is the compression on the uncut pistons in the 1361 kit. and I know both J&E and Weisco, have full Nitrous pistons, and I believe Weisco has a better price.
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posted December 18, 2002 06:14 AM
Bergie, does not have a 1361 (Per what he says and maybe smaller thicker pistons have kept him safe??) . I have sent 1 or 2 Crankshafts to Falicon and they came back with the "Exact" same Bearing insert size!
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posted December 18, 2002 06:43 AM
Anyone got Falicon's phone #? I have a crankshaft from a customers bike that needs journal work done.
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posted December 18, 2002 06:59 AM
http://www.faliconcranks.com/
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posted December 18, 2002 07:01 AM
opps you said phone number ...Phone: (727) 797-2468
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posted December 18, 2002 08:34 AM
Thanks!!!!!!!
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posted December 18, 2002 10:27 AM
I have even taken the $.25 tour! Quite a Place! The Glowing Salt bath is the most inteesting I think!
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