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posted May 20, 2010 05:46 AM
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Roy are you going to Maxton this weekend?
no , I am in Louisiana this week
  
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posted May 20, 2010 07:15 AM
OK, I will do some more investigation and get back with you.
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posted June 05, 2010 08:12 AM
anything new?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted June 15, 2010 06:25 PM
still waiting on the next batch of boards
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ZRXDean
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posted June 15, 2010 06:46 PM
I am pretty sure I will convert the turbo to Megasquirt 3 this winter. I could pull 4 boxes (kit ECU, secondary injector box, datalogger, boost controller) off the bike and replace with one MS3. And have more flexibility and data resolution. I can probably recoup all the cost by selling the 4 boxes. Just have to take the plunge and learn a new system, tune it from scratch, go through the teething pains.
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posted June 16, 2010 08:16 AM
I am running a verison of MS on my zx14 -- not sure which one though as I got it from another shop -- we have only had it on for a brief time and haven't got to play with much --- I removed my stock harness ecu pcIII and all -- i run it with a schnitz pro2 box to control the timing nos etc.. we make an ignition housing to run teh dyna trigger
I'm not an electrical guy and haven't played with it to much to see what all the MS can do -- right now its just controlling my injectors.
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dubious
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posted June 23, 2010 06:38 PM
Who wired your harness for you? I need to do something with the stock ecu and harness.
clearly the reflash isn't happening like the busa.
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posted July 07, 2010 07:48 AM
I received the megasquirt3 v3.57 board and case. It has surface mounted components andlooks like it should hold up on to the vibrations. I dont have the MS3X board yet , looks like it is still being tested . That is the board that has the stuff to run a cam position sensor and sequential stuff for the injectors. But I am working on making the adapter to use the stock wiring harness and sensors. It looks like I will use the stock relay box since I am using the stock wiring harness.
I will try to get the sensors calibrated and see if I can get the CanBus transmitting ... so far it isn't looking too complicated...
the cost so far is $540 for the megasquit unit , $39 bucks to upgrade the tuning software and & $25 for the connectors to the stock wiring harness. I found a wideband controller for $150 ( no sensor ) . The software has an autotune function to help with making maps so having a wideband sensor will speed stuff up. You can also use it for the AFR safety system .... this really isnt looking too bad , since the dual channel O2 controller /datalogger cost me over $900 , not to mention the PCV & SB6 ignition.
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posted July 07, 2010 08:52 AM
Excellent work Roy, thanks for posting your progress.
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posted July 10, 2010 03:40 AM
the stock TPS, air temp and water temp sensors are calibrated. The plug and play solution is looking pretty good right now.
I am going to get the speed sensor and gear position wired up . It is interesting that speed is wired tio the ECU , but is also received on the canbus from the gauges.... maybe it just needs something to send so the ECU knows that it is there.
I am still waiting on the MS3X card to connect the injectors , cam position sensor and coils. If this takes too long, I may just setup a wasted spark system to fire up the engine.
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posted July 10, 2010 05:58 AM
Woohoo  . Go Roy.
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posted July 10, 2010 06:21 AM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 10 Jul 2010 14:23
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It is interesting that speed is wired tio the ECU , but is also received on the canbus from the gauges.... maybe it just needs something to send so the ECU knows that it is there.
If you remove the speedo signal to the stock ECU, you can make 1 run bypassing the limiter. Then the bike will throw a code and requires a signal from the speedo in order to reset (you actually have to drive the bike, (or run it on a stand). It will not reset until it gets some input from the speedo). I learned this on a wasted pass at Maxton...
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posted July 10, 2010 08:15 AM
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It is interesting that speed is wired tio the ECU , but is also received on the canbus from the gauges.... maybe it just needs something to send so the ECU knows that it is there.
If you remove the speedo signal to the stock ECU, you can make 1 run bypassing the limiter. Then the bike will throw a code and requires a signal from the speedo in order to reset (you actually have to drive the bike, (or run it on a stand). It will not reset until it gets some input from the speedo). I learned this on a wasted pass at Maxton...
Shane
I don't think you understand what i was saying. The speed sensor is wired to the ecu on pin5 so the ecu should know be able to calculate the speed, but the gauge cluster also sends the speed via CanBus
my question is why get the data from both the cluster and the sensor ? unless the data is being sent just let the ECU know the cluster is attached and working. I did remember hearing someone say you could not race the bike without the gauges connected .
Roy
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posted July 10, 2010 08:22 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 10 Jul 2010 16:38
I understood, Roy. I don't know why they are sending the 2nd signal...but it is obviously tied to the speed limiting function for some reason. I agree that it is very curious; but it actually works out well that way for being able to defeat the limiter with a speedohealer.
You can race it without gauges, but you will have to reset it each time by connecting the gauges, so it's a pain. I made several passes (which would have exceeded the stock limiter) with only a shift light on the bike.
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posted July 10, 2010 08:51 AM
did the bike revert to a limited ecu map ? what happened if you made a second pass without the gauges ?
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posted July 10, 2010 09:04 AM
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did the bike revert to a limited ecu map ? what happened if you made a second pass without the gauges ?
I was able to run over 190 mph on the first pass.
On the next pass it hit the limiter at around 178 mph. I believe I was running 17/43 gearing at the time.
The odd part was that I checked for codes by connecting the gauges between runs, and it showed none. Only after the 2nd pass did it show a code; I had to connect the gauges and ride it and get it up to 20 mph or so in order to clear the code.
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posted July 11, 2010 08:48 AM
oh I hope this will work !
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posted July 22, 2010 03:01 PM
I ordered the MS3X today. That is last part I was waiting on to finish the project. This is the board that has the cam sensor and gives you the ability for sequential firing of the plugs and injectors. This is a new board and they are sold out again, but they say that another batch of MS3 and MS3x boards coming in soon.
I already made the wiring harness adapter so I should be able finish assembling the megasquirt and fire the the motor up when I get back from loring.
I am going to try to use the MSD SB6 with this setup. The MSD software displays the timing from the ECU making it a very expensive timing light ...that will allow me to confirm the trigger wheel setup on the megasquirt. I have a couple of spare MSD units so I will use them ... a hotter spark might be good anyway.
Roy
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posted July 24, 2010 10:52 AM
looking forward to the progress
There are alot of guys doing this with the busa on turbobikes.net
Pinky on there would be a great asset if you have questions.
Some even have wireless laptop connection, to their laptops for tuning, which I thought was also pretty cool.
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posted January 28, 2011 10:21 PM
any progress?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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posted January 29, 2011 06:43 AM
I am not smart enough to do this...
I bet shane has the info on his build thread.
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posted January 29, 2011 03:14 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 29 Jan 2011 23:23
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I am not smart enough to do this...
I bet shane has the info on his build thread.
Roy
I'll help you set up your Megasquirt if you can help me get a car tire on my bike. 
Side note is that the Motec should be available for the 14 now....
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posted January 29, 2011 03:33 PM
$$$Motec$$$.....
Roy, you want to sell the ms3?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
CMG Racing RCC Turbos
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posted January 29, 2011 03:51 PM
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$$$Motec$$$.....
Roy, you want to sell the ms3?
no , it is on the bike ....
Roy
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posted January 29, 2011 03:52 PM
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$$$Motec$$$.....
Roy, you want to sell the ms3?
no , it is on the bike ....
Roy
You tease! Here I thought I was going to get that car tire info for free! 
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