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posted May 12, 2010 03:50 AM
anyone using a MegaSquirt
Is anyone out here using a megasquirt? I was interested in getting one to replace the ECU but some of the info online is a little confusing. There is mention of support for Coil On Plug , but some models only have 2 outputs. Anyone have experience with a wasted spark COP setup? there is also references as to what type of triggers it can use for sequential injection , but I havent been able to figure out which model will work best on a bike.
here is a link to the comparison of the models available http://www.msextra.com/feature-xref.html
the megasquirt 3 looks like it could replace ECU , powercommander , MSD SB6 ignition , wideband O2 controller and a datalogger.
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posted May 12, 2010 07:11 AM
I can't help you Roy but I'm curious..........do you ever sleep??
You are one serious gearhead, and that's a good thing not only for you but the rest of us!
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posted May 12, 2010 09:05 AM
I'm interested, don't know anyone directly. There are a couple folks on SH.org who use MS on Busas. I'm a bit leery of having to set up new sensors, and the ignition stuff. If MS3 could hook up directly to the OEM sensors and ignition coils, I would be tempted to make the plunge.
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posted May 12, 2010 10:56 AM
the microsquirt info implys that you can use the stock crank and cam timing
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posted May 12, 2010 01:08 PM
I thought that most of the guys using MS on SH.org were using it for secondary injection only?
Are some using it for all ecu functions?
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posted May 12, 2010 02:12 PM
maybe they dont know how to program it for ignition and primary injection :-)
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posted May 12, 2010 02:14 PM
quote:
I can't help you Roy but I'm curious..........do you ever sleep??
You are one serious gearhead, and that's a good thing not only for you but the rest of us!
Dan
I will have time to sleep .... when they lock me up in a nursing home :-)
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posted May 12, 2010 03:35 PM
Try it Roy, it's not that expensive. Then you can tell me how to do it 
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posted May 12, 2010 03:41 PM
i allmost put it on a KZ650, but the project has been on the back burner since i got the 12. i had the 810 big bore kit, gpz1100 TBs ect ect....
look into the microsquirt, way smaller board, lighter
you may need to get a set of coils? check out Dougs turbo 12, it has a set of coils like on older bikes
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posted May 12, 2010 04:28 PM
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Try it Roy, it's not that expensive. Then you can tell me how to do it
i am already doing the research ... looks like the crank trigger can be used but it may need to be repositioned.
from the docs
"The cam synch on input 2 must be placed so that it occurs during the missing teeth."
I need to pull the covers off the spare motor and see if it is timed that way, but looking at the cam I have ,, it appears to be off by few teeth.
I might make an adjustable crank trigger to fix that.
but it is looking like it will work so far :-0
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posted May 12, 2010 04:38 PM
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i allmost put it on a KZ650, but the project has been on the back burner since i got the 12. i had the 810 big bore kit, gpz1100 TBs ect ect....
look into the microsquirt, way smaller board, lighter
you may need to get a set of coils? check out Dougs turbo 12, it has a set of coils like on older bikes
microsquirt only has 2 injector/coil outputs. there is a new sequential coming out that has 4 outputs, so it can handle sequentially firing injectors ( and handle secondary injectors also) and 4 COP outputs.
how much is a setup like that worth to y'all ?
you wont need to buy a PowerCommander ( 300 bucks ) SB6 ignition or what ever you use for timing ( $400) or a datalogger ...
Roy
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posted May 12, 2010 04:39 PM
How many external points of data can it log, Roy?
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posted May 12, 2010 04:43 PM
 Edited By: KZScott on 13 May 2010 00:44
lets see, PC and IGN modual, timing retard or hub, kill box? logger?
whats a Motec go for?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted May 12, 2010 05:11 PM
I'm interested in this setup. Know a few others also.
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posted May 12, 2010 05:17 PM
And a few more options including
Tachometer output
Launch Control/flat shift
Spark cut rev limit
Dwell duty%
Dwell battery correction
Boost control Y (open or closed loop with PID control)
Nitrous control Y (2 stage)
Knock sensor (software)
Realtime barometric correction
Configurable outputs
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posted May 14, 2010 04:44 AM
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How many external points of data can it log, Roy?
from the documentation...
The MS will naturally datalog the inputs from TPS, O2, Coolant Temp and the Air temp sensor. It also datalogs the fuel Pulse Width, Dwell, Spark Advance, etc, etc, etc, there are in excess of 20 seperate streams of data that MS1-Extra logs....
the only issue I see right now is that enabling the datalog requires that a PC app is running and connected to the megasquirt. I did not see an option for an external switch to enable logging. The megasquirt3 can log to a SD memory card , but I am not sure if the microsquirt can log to internal memory .
Roy
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posted May 17, 2010 07:19 PM
there are a few guys here using it:
http://turbobikes.org/forum/index.php
and "PINKY " moderator / owner on turbobike runs it , I think he also sells them.
I am in no way an electrical engineer, and this equipment is basically an ECU you soldier up for your own needs from what I understood.
YOU build it, so its nothing like a boxed unit, marelli, or Mikrotek, AEC stanalone or anything like that.... from what I understand anyway.
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posted May 18, 2010 03:24 PM
there are 2 models that are preassembled with a nice anodized extruded case. but they dont have the all features that I wanted. So I am waiting on the next shipment of Megasquirt3 boards. That is the only model that has datalogging right now.
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posted May 18, 2010 06:49 PM
so are you dumping the stock gauges and all the canbus junk?
I would love to do that. Well I do like the stock gauges actually but the stock wire harness is rediculous.
What are you going to datalog?
I would like 4 EGT, 1 afr, tps, map, cht, oil press, fuel press, accelleraometer (! haha)
I know some guys watch the afr to see where the tire spins casue it will lean out if it picks up rpm too fast.
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posted May 18, 2010 08:40 PM
I just read a little about the MS3, and I'm impressed. If the sensors work, I'll do it. I could do about everything I want with one box, for cheap. Thanks Roy, please let me know how you like it. -Dean
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posted May 19, 2010 10:44 AM
very curious here as well. I would pay someone to come up with a system, harness and guages for my turbo. I simply don't have the time at home to do it, and i would be on a steep electrical learning curve.
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posted May 19, 2010 12:34 PM
quote:
very curious here as well. I would pay someone to come up with a system, harness and guages for my turbo. I simply don't have the time at home to do it, and i would be on a steep electrical learning curve.
I am on the list to get some boards when the next batch come in. Are you looking to replace the old wiring harness ?
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posted May 19, 2010 03:30 PM
Edited By: dubious on 19 May 2010 23:34
Roy,
I would love to drop that pile of junk!
How will speedo function? I was told we can't cut the canbus wires?
If you develop something for us, (mine is turbo) I would pay.
how much $$$ is the next question?
I have a spare harness to hack up if that is the plan.
Also I would like to place all of it where the ram air tubes used to exist, or else in the battery box. rather than in the tail if possible.
If you PM me your number, and a time to call, that would be great.
I am sure there are a few others out there that would be interested.
Whats the plan for guages, or a dispay panel?
a detonation sensor would be awesome!
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posted May 19, 2010 06:01 PM
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Roy,
I would love to drop that pile of junk!
How will speedo function? I was told we can't cut the canbus wires?
the stock ECU needs to talk to the gauges. A replacement ECU like the MS3 could output to anything. The MS3 has CanBus so it could send data to the gauges. I already have the data captures between the stock ECU and the gauges, and that looks straight forward.
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If you develop something for us, (mine is turbo) I would pay.
how much $$$ is the next question?
I have a spare harness to hack up if that is the plan.
I think it would be possible to make a plug and play setup . http://diyautotune.com/ has plug and play kits for some cars already. I may take a few days to figure out what stock sensors will work .
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Also I would like to place all of it where the ram air tubes used to exist, or else in the battery box. rather than in the tail if possible.
If you PM me your number, and a time to call, that would be great.
I am sure there are a few others out there that would be interested.
Whats the plan for guages, or a dispay panel?
a detonation sensor would be awesome!
I will PM my cell number
Roy
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posted May 20, 2010 05:28 AM
Roy are you going to Maxton this weekend?
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